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    Quote Originally Posted by Power77 View Post
    Hey Aga', don't you think that it is kind of "funny" that E1b (presumably E1b1b) has a higher frequency in Greek Cypriots than Turkish Cypriots? Also, why is E1a present among Greeks but not among Turks? The higher frequency of I in Turks is rather intriguing as well IMHO (too bad that there's no information on the subclades though).

    Pretty unsurprising, I think, if we're assuming a significant Anatolian Turkish contribution to Turkish Cypriots. Looking at the big picture of E1b1b distribution, Turkey is a low-frequency zone compared to Greece, Albania, Cyprus, the Levant, and even Kurdistan.

    This underscores an important point though: report subclades! E1b1b is very old and very deeply diverged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wandering_amorite View Post
    Pretty unsurprising, I think, if we're assuming a significant Anatolian Turkish contribution to Turkish Cypriots. Looking at the big picture of E1b1b distribution, Turkey is a low-frequency zone compared to Greece, Albania, Cyprus, the Levant, and even Kurdistan.

    This underscores an important point though: report subclades! E1b1b is very old and very deeply diverged.
    OK. But how do we explain the odd presence of E1a among Greek Cypriots then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power77 View Post
    OK. But how do we explain the odd presence of E1a among Greek Cypriots then?
    Slaves from Sudan most likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonacci View Post
    Slaves from Sudan most likely.
    Hm, not necessarily. Especially if this Greek Cypriot E1a happens to be "related" to the Jewish and Druze E1a cluster(s).
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    I doubt the presence of a single E1a means anything, you can find it sporadically in the Levant, North Africa, and southern Italy. I wouldn't be surprised if it's old in Northwest Africa. There is no E1a in the larger sample (n=629) of Greek Cypriots from Voskarides et al 2016.

    Turkish Cypriots (Trombetta et al 2015), n=46: 11% V13, 9% M81, 2% M34, 2% V22. Very small sample though and may be atypical.
    Anatolian Turks (Trombetta et al 2015), n=226: 3% V13, 2% M81, 3% M34, 1% V22, 1% V12(xV32).
    Greek Cypriots (Voskarides et al 2016), n=629: 7% V13, 10% M34, 4% V22, 0.5% M78(xV13, V22), 0.8% M35(xM78, M34).

    Cypriots have lower V13 than Greek average and much more M34 than either Turks or Greeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    Since when are Levantines 50% "Afro-Bedouin"? And what does that mean anyway? I'm pretty sure Alawites (such as Assad) have very little, if any, Arabian admixture.
    You are right! They are 100% Greeks from Asgard. Nothing to do with Arabs living next to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    Since when are Levantines 50% "Afro-Bedouin"? And what does that mean anyway? I'm pretty sure Alawites (such as Assad) have very little, if any, Arabian admixture.
    Heck, most people in Mesopotamia and Levant regions (Iraq, Syria, Lebanon) have a minor Arab genetic influence overall. The Arab identity is mostly cultural, propagated by religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megalophias View Post
    I doubt the presence of a single E1a means anything, you can find it sporadically in the Levant, North Africa, and southern Italy. I wouldn't be surprised if it's old in Northwest Africa. There is no E1a in the larger sample (n=629) of Greek Cypriots from Voskarides et al 2016.

    Turkish Cypriots (Trombetta et al 2015), n=46: 11% V13, 9% M81, 2% M34, 2% V22. Very small sample though and may be atypical.
    Anatolian Turks (Trombetta et al 2015), n=226: 3% V13, 2% M81, 3% M34, 1% V22, 1% V12(xV32).
    Greek Cypriots (Voskarides et al 2016), n=629: 7% V13, 10% M34, 4% V22, 0.5% M78(xV13, V22), 0.8% M35(xM78, M34).

    Cypriots have lower V13 than Greek average and much more M34 than either Turks or Greeks.
    I think it means nothing especially since the paper below states:

    [B]Analyses of Cypriot haplogroup data are consistent with two stages of prehistoric settlement. E-V13 and E-M34 are widespread, and PCA suggests sourcing them to the Balkans and Levant/Anatolia, respectively.



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    Minor traces of Sub Saharan y-dna lineages (not necessary) recent geneflow can be found around the Mediterranean Sea

    In Portugal sub-Saharan Y-DNA xE3b was found at a total of 3.0% (N. Portugal 4.0% / S. Portugal 2.0%) and 1.6% in Sardinia. Genetic marker xE3b is the highest Y-DNA marker in sub-Saharan West-Africa and was absent (0%) in Sicilians and all other European groups.
    In Sardinia sub-Saharan Y-DNA lineages A1b1b2b and E1a1 were found at a total of 1.0% (A1b1b2b 0.5% / E1a1 0.5%).[25] In the 2013 study by Alessio Boattini et al. sub-Saharan Y-DNA lineage E1a was found at a total of 1.2% in Sardinia.[26]

    In Majorcans sub-Saharan Y-DNA lineage E-V38 was found at a total of 3.2% (2/62).[27]

    Sub-Saharan Y-DNA lineages E3a, E1, BC*, DE*(xE3) and E3* are found between 1 and 5% in Portugal, Valencia, Majorca, Cantabria, Málaga, Seville and Galicia (Spain).[28][29]


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