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    Calling experts on North Africa

    I recently updated my page on Mediterraneans, which has a focus on North Africa. Have I gone wrong anywhere? Missed anything?

    http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/mediterraneans.shtml

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    An interesting website.
    You may want to change the picture under " Herder" the one that says " rock painting of cattle herders in Tassili, North Africa" because it was made by a modern artist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stellaritic View Post
    You may want to change the picture under " Herder" the one that says " rock painting of cattle herders in Tassili, North Africa" because it was made by a modern artist.
    Thank you, but are you sure? What is the evidence? I have read claims to that effect, but could not track down proof. So I left it. If it is a fake, I would be happy to replace it with one from the UNESCO WHC gallery of the site: http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/179/gallery/
    Last edited by Jean M; 11-16-2016 at 07:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stellaritic View Post
    You may want to change the picture under " Herder" the one that says " rock painting of cattle herders in Tassili, North Africa" because it was made by a modern artist.
    I have changed the image to be on the safe side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean M View Post
    I have changed the image to be on the safe side.
    I have emailed a French expert regarding the authenticity of the painting and will let you know as soon as he responds to my inquiry.

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    Now I have had to update the page again, to take in the new paper on Chad reported over here in English: http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...l=1#post199191

    and over here in French: http://secher.bernard.free.fr/blog/i...vers-l-Afrique

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean M View Post
    I recently updated my page on Mediterraneans, which has a focus on North Africa. Have I gone wrong anywhere? Missed anything?

    http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/mediterraneans.shtml
    You write that the Dabban culture noted for mtdna U6 with its Middle Eastern connections reached no further west than Cyrenaica.
    How can the present strong concentration of U6 be explained in parts of Morocco and Algeria (Mozabites etc)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cascio View Post
    You write that the Dabban culture noted for mtdna U6 with its Middle Eastern connections reached no further west than Cyrenaica.
    How can the present strong concentration of U6 be explained in parts of Morocco and Algeria (Mozabites etc)?
    If you read on, all is explained. Look under the heading "Refuge from the Cold". The Iberomaurusian culture seems to reflect a movement westwards across North Africa into a refuge from the desert, then mtDNA U6a expanded from the Maghreb around 26,000 years ago. This is guesswork from modern DNA and archaeology, as we have no ancient DNA yet from the Iberomaurusian culture. But it makes sense to me. See the paper that I cite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stellaritic View Post
    I have emailed a French expert regarding the authenticity of the painting and will let you know as soon as he responds to my inquiry.
    It seems me a reproduction by a modern artist to give a refreshed picture of an authentic saharian picture of the past. Contours seem me too marked compared to an original painting (compared to the photo of an authentic one just above) . but this reproduction gives a good idea of the bleeding coulours of the original ones , maybe it is the reason it have been used as representation by UNESCO.

    This reminds me the "restorings" of the Cnossos Palace for the method. The opinion are divided about the rightness to use this method. Some tell it is deceptive, others tell this speaks better to the public and gives a better idea of the original style than the faded original paintings.

    added: I am not an expert.
    a canvas of the subject
    http://forums-naturalistes.forums-ac...tre-du-tassili
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    Quote Originally Posted by palamede View Post
    It seems me a reproduction by a modern artist to give a refreshed picture of an authentic saharian picture of the past. Contours seem me too marked compared to an original painting (compared to the photo of an authentic one just above) . but this reproduction gives a good idea of the bleeding coulours of the original ones , maybe it is the reason it have been used as representation by UNESCO.

    This reminds me the "restorings" of the Cnossos Palace for the method. The opinion are divided about the rightness to use this method. Some tell it is deceptive, others tell this speaks better to the public and gives a better idea of the original style than the faded original paintings.

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    a canvas of the subject
    http://forums-naturalistes.forums-ac...tre-du-tassili
    Although I haven't received a reply yet, I am quite confident about where this may come from.

    IMO, the modern depiction was inspired by a description written in a book entitled "l'Algérie des premiers hommes"
    This is what the author says about this particular painting :


    "Le bœuf porteur est fréquemment figuré dans les peintures de cette époque. Il est toujours monté par une femme "élégante" à la coiffure sophistiquée portant de vastes robes à volants et une ample pèlerine" .

    Source: l'Algérie des premiers hommes P171-172
    Weblink: https://books.google.dz/books?id=0vy...oiffure&f=true

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