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    L-SK1414 (L1b2c)

    One possibility how L-SK1414 may have reached England?

    https://paulbrooker.posthaven.com/wa...-baloch-lascar
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    Thanks to Anabasis for alerting me. A new L-SK1414 has been identified by FT-DNA Big Y. Only 50 novel SNPS shared with me, but the tester is the first "other" SK1414 identified on FT-DNA by Big Y. The ethnicity of this sample is Druze. That now puts SK1414 in England, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Syria? SK1414 is starting to look old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Norfolk L-M20 View Post
    Thanks to Anabasis for alerting me. A new L-SK1414 has been identified by FT-DNA Big Y. Only 50 novel SNPS shared with me, but the tester is the first "other" SK1414 identified on FT-DNA by Big Y. The ethnicity of this sample is Druze. That now puts SK1414 in England, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Syria? SK1414 is starting to look old.
    Thanks for alerting me! This is one of several interesting Druze Big Y tested kits. We also have a T-L490 (probably L206+ M70-) whose TMRCA with the rest of T1 is approx. 20,000 years ago.

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    The baloch regions in Pakistan were isolated from British control(mostly) till the that last few decades of the 1800s. As far as I know, the number of baloch serving in the British Indian army was pretty low to non existent. I checked your admixtire results and your results look pretty typical for an Englishman(if you had a full balochi ancestor in the last 100-150 years, it would show up in admixture). It's probably medieval or at least 500-400 years old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GarethH View Post
    Thanks for alerting me! This is one of several interesting Druze Big Y tested kits. We also have a T-L490 (probably L206+ M70-) whose TMRCA with the rest of T1 is approx. 20,000 years ago.
    Gareth is this sample member of L project?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anabasis View Post
    Gareth is this sample member of L project?
    No, otherwise I would have found out when the results were released yesterday. I will try to contact the kit administrator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Norfolk L-M20 View Post
    Thanks to Anabasis for alerting me. A new L-SK1414 has been identified by FT-DNA Big Y. Only 50 novel SNPS shared with me, but the tester is the first "other" SK1414 identified on FT-DNA by Big Y. The ethnicity of this sample is Druze. That now puts SK1414 in England, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Syria? SK1414 is starting to look old.
    A bit more info. 30 of the 50 SNPs shared with you are unique to the two of you, at least within haplogroup L. That's about 4,300 years of shared ancestry back to the split from T-PH8. So if YFull are right about the split being around 11,700 years ago, SK1414 is at least 7,400 years old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesus View Post
    The baloch regions in Pakistan were isolated from British control(mostly) till the that last few decades of the 1800s. As far as I know, the number of baloch serving in the British Indian army was pretty low to non existent. I checked your admixtire results and your results look pretty typical for an Englishman(if you had a full balochi ancestor in the last 100-150 years, it would show up in admixture). It's probably medieval or at least 500-400 years old.
    Thank you for looking. No, I don't expect an Asian Y ancestor for at least 400 years. My paper record on the surname Brooker line goes back to the Thames Valley 270 years ago. A Thomas Chandler lived at that time mid C18 only 52 km away at Basingstoke, that the other STR recorded English L-SK1414 descend from. If they had a common Y ancestor, it would unlikely be much more recent than 500 years ago. That no L-SK1414 have yet been reported between Syria and England, suggests to me, based on that limited evidence, that it was carried from Asia to England by a single generation. My best guess would be sometime between 2,000 years ago and 500 years ago - as you say, roughly Medieval. I personally feel that it would be towards the more recent end, as so few testers of European ancestry with L-SK1414 have been so far recorded - all from Thomas Chandler or John Brooker that lived in Southern England close by during the 1740s.

    The Lascar hypothesis is just one possibility. My understanding is that there were professional sailors or lascars scattered around the Persian Gulf and Arabian Sea. If early European vessels recruited around the Persian Gulf, before the return voyage to an English port - that would fill in all of the ticks how an Asian man moved to England. My understanding is that lascars were being recruited as early as the 16th Century, but I'm making enquiries with historians.

    The Balochi might still be a wild card. I don't know how close the Makran tester was to myself. However, is it inconceivable that a Makrani sailor couldn't end up in another port of the Persian Gulf or Arabian Sea, where he could end up on a European ship? I very much doubt that I'll ever know. I have absolutely no certainties - just best guesses.
    Last edited by A Norfolk L-M20; 11-29-2016 at 11:28 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GarethH View Post
    A bit more info. 30 of the 50 SNPs shared with you are unique to the two of you, at least within haplogroup L. That's about 4,300 years of shared ancestry back to the split from T-PH8. So if YFull are right about the split being around 11,700 years ago, SK1414 is at least 7,400 years old.
    Thank you as always Gareth. SK1414 does indeed appear to be looking old. That's cracking information. Do you know, or can you say if the tester was indeed Syrian?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GarethH View Post
    A bit more info. 30 of the 50 SNPs shared with you are unique to the two of you, at least within haplogroup L. That's about 4,300 years of shared ancestry back to the split from T-PH8. So if YFull are right about the split being around 11,700 years ago, SK1414 is at least 7,400 years old.
    Lol I was right then By the way, he joined to L project. M9536. There are 3 more BIG Y on the way. Rest of them also joined to project. Please check them.

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