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    Searching for my new terminal SNP FGC51036, downstream of SK1414, I've come across the L Haplogroup Arabia & Middle East - Y-DNA SNP FT-DNA Project. https://www.familytreedna.com/public...x?section=ysnp. Does anyone know about this project?

    It has three samples tested positive for SK1414 and FGC51036.

    Kit 415176 gives origins as: السادة ال قزان (ammar alani studies T). Kit 490897 gives origins as: Iraqi Karaite jewish/ Anbar / heet, Rahamim (ammar alani -IQ Project). Kit 534031 gives origins as: واسط (ammar alani studies T) alzubaidi.

    Anyone know about this? Gareth?
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    Schoolboy error. The Iraqi samples are not SK1414
    Last edited by A Norfolk L-M20; 03-03-2017 at 11:33 AM. Reason: Incorrect data
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    One more SK1414+ result today - kit 526097 from Turkey. I've renamed cluster 26 to 16 - this is the cluster with DYS393 = 10, a very rare value which has also been seen in Parsi men in Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GarethH View Post
    One more SK1414+ result today - kit 526097 from Turkey. I've renamed cluster 26 to 16 - this is the cluster with DYS393 = 10, a very rare value which has also been seen in Parsi men in Pakistan.
    This guy from Turkey is from Trabzon. His closest matcch also from trabzon who is not in project.

    Gareth is this parsi men also L? Were thier results published in an article?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anabasis View Post
    Gareth is this parsi men also L? Were thier results published in an article?
    They were in the Qamar et al paper published in 2002 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC447589/
    This was so long ago that hg L was referred to as "haplogroup 28".
    This diagram is particularly interesting:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...89/figure/FG6/
    The Parsi are the dark green circles at the bottom, they are quite distinct from the main clusters of L-M27 (top) and L-M357 (middle) samples.
    The two pinkish circles near the top of the Parsi branch are Makrani samples, one of them may have been the same sample in which SK1414 was discovered.

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    SK1414 has quickly grown in the project! Now 17 kits, across the three groups that Gareth has currently assigned. Kits from England, USA (Germany / Switzerland?), Iran, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Azores / Portugal, Turkey, and Tatar Russia that I can see. There must be a lot more of us.

    Group 16 (was 26) L-SK1414 DYS425 = null DYS393 = 10 does look fascinating. I see Peter is in there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Norfolk L-M20 View Post
    SK1414 has quickly grown in the project! Now 17 kits, across the three groups that Gareth has currently assigned. Kits from England, USA (Germany / Switzerland?), Iran, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Azores / Portugal, Turkey, and Tatar Russia that I can see. There must be a lot more of us.

    Group 16 (was 26) L-SK1414 DYS425 = null DYS393 = 10 does look fascinating. I see Peter is in there.
    Have you investigated this group in the genetic papers of Pichler 2006, Thomas 2007, Coia 2013 and Boattini 2013 .......who have found and tested an average of 10% of this L haplogroup in the Italian Alps ..........with the highest being Fassa area which has 19%


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    Quote Originally Posted by vettor View Post
    Have you investigated this group in the genetic papers of Pichler 2006, Thomas 2007, Coia 2013 and Boattini 2013 .......who have found and tested an average of 10% of this L haplogroup in the Italian Alps ..........with the highest being Fassa area which has 19%
    Hi Vettor, wouldn't they have been L-M349?
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    YFull 5.03 is live and dates L-SK1414 (which they call L-FGC51074) to 6,000 ybp or 4,000 BC. This based on the two Big Y samples from Norfolk and Lebanon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GarethH View Post
    YFull 5.03 is live and dates L-SK1414 (which they call L-FGC51074) to 6,000 ybp or 4,000 BC. This based on the two Big Y samples from Norfolk and Lebanon.
    Thanks for the tip Gareth! So, 6,000 years since TMRCA. That's a bit younger!
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