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    Z56 (U152>Z56) - an early branch of U152

    Quote Originally Posted by Diana View Post
    Hello Mike,

    Im certain the U152 project has way more Z56 from Italy... Also of course the Tuscans from the 1K genomes project.

    My family is from Italy. Both parents born and raised in Rome. We are and were scattered throughout the Umbria region and Rome. Minus my parents and brothers coming to Canada, Italy is the only home we have ever known. My paternal line is Z56, Z144/Z145/Z146.
    Here are the current counts of Z56+ tested folks who list Old World MDKAs. This is in the R1b-P312xL21 spreadsheet if you want access to it. I manually scraped the Italy, N.Italy, Calabria projects as well as U152, P312, R1b, R1b1a2 projects along with some of the other large European geographic projects.

    7 - Italy

    12 - France
    10 - Germany
    2 - Switzerland
    2 - Austria
    2 - Spain
    1 - Belgium

    5 - Ukraine
    2 - Poland
    1 - Belarus
    1 - Latvia
    1 - Hungary

    6 - England
    4 - Ireland
    3 - Scotland
    1 - Sweden

    Let me know you I'm missing and where to look.

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    Thank you Mike for starting a thread on Z56. As I mentioned on the other thread, I believe Italy is extremely under sampled. Ftdna also has a few other projects, ie: the Italy project and others you have mentioned but for the data your looking for I assume the U152 would be the best. I think you left out the participants from the 1K genomes project from Tuscany whom are also Z56. It would probably be more of a tie with France and Germany coming in 3rd I would think.
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    R1b1a2a1a1b3 U152+ Z56+ Z144/Z145/Z146+ P312+ U106- M228.2- M160- M126- L4- L21- L2- L196- L176.2- DYS492=14 Roma, Italia.

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    Just adding this as it is relevant to Z56..

    Francalacci_U152.png

    "At the opposite end of the spectrum we have L2 and Z36 which make up only small percentages of both U152 and Sardinian males overall. It is difficult to see either in the context of large migrations from the peninsula. Z56 is slightly more frequent than L2 and it's Z144/Z145 subclade makes up the majority of Z56. Sardinian U152, where a single subclade is so dominant (Z192), contrasts with the completely diverse scenario in Tuscany, where no single subclade is found in dominant numbers over another. U152 frequency in Tuscany is also several times greater than in Sardinia based on 1000 Genomes data and that of the recent Boattini et al. study (see here: http://www.r1b.org/?page_id=242)."

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    Last edited by Diana; 08-09-2013 at 06:13 PM.
    R1b1a2a1a1b3 U152+ Z56+ Z144/Z145/Z146+ P312+ U106- M228.2- M160- M126- L4- L21- L2- L196- L176.2- DYS492=14 Roma, Italia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diana View Post
    Just adding this as it is relevant to Z56..

    Francalacci_U152.png

    "At the opposite end of the spectrum we have L2 and Z36 which make up only small percentages of both U152 and Sardinian males overall. It is difficult to see either in the context of large migrations from the peninsula. Z56 is slightly more frequent than L2 and it's Z144/Z145 subclade makes up the majority of Z56. Sardinian U152, where a single subclade is so dominant (Z192), contrasts with the completely diverse scenario in Tuscany, where no single subclade is found in dominant numbers over another. U152 frequency in Tuscany is also several times greater than in Sardinia based on 1000 Genomes data and that of the recent Boattini et al. study (see here: http://www.r1b.org/?page_id=242)."

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    Ciao do you have the sample of you father ?

    i m from Rome to and i m u152 z56 z145 & Z146

    i have a big y test and i join also yfull it will be intersting to compare my sample with the sample of you father

    ciao

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    Hi all!
    I just got the results of my friend F. Bernardini , I know his earliest known ancestor was Domenico Bernardini from Sarzana (La Spezia, ITA) b. 1690 d. 1773. He has DYS 385 11-17 and DYS 492 14 . I think he is probably U152 Z56. the next test is for Z72. On U152 project I noticed Mr. Panara has DYS 385 11-17, it seems interesting!

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    Probably He will test Z71 as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titus Valerius View Post
    Probably He will test Z71 as well
    Ciao Marco,

    These must be new available tests? Or is he taking the full Y? I am considering upgrading, so far my testing hasn't brought me any matches or more conclusive information so I am happy to hear this.
    R1b1a2a1a1b3 U152+ Z56+ Z144/Z145/Z146+ P312+ U106- M228.2- M160- M126- L4- L21- L2- L196- L176.2- DYS492=14 Roma, Italia.

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    guys a big y for u152 and more in general for r1 Group help much for create a more detailed haplotree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abds View Post
    guys a big y for u152 and more in general for r1 Group help much for create a more detailed haplotree.
    In my case it was pointless as there was nothing else to compare it to... Now that you have taken it maybe it's time..
    R1b1a2a1a1b3 U152+ Z56+ Z144/Z145/Z146+ P312+ U106- M228.2- M160- M126- L4- L21- L2- L196- L176.2- DYS492=14 Roma, Italia.

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    I agree

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