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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean M View Post
    Confidentiality does not come into it when publishing anonymous, aggregated data.
    That is precisely what I was referring to. An example is the 1000 Genomes Project, which gives general locations but is completely anonymous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebbieK View Post
    As BritainsDNA/ScotlandsDNA is now under new ownership I presume the database will have been passed on to Source Bioscience. With the Chromo2 test BritainsDNA customers were given some quite useful maps showing the distribution of their haplogroups in the UK. It would have been nice if the company could have published some papers based on the data they'd collected.

    A lot of the British people who tested at BritainsDNA were already in other genetic genealogy databases or have since tested elsewhere. Sadly many other people who tested there are now completely lost to genetic genealogy. Some people don't realise that there are other possibilities. Others paid a lot of money for their test and weren't very impressed with the results so they don't want to pay out for any more testing. That's particularly the case for females who paid a lot of money for what was essentially an mtDNA test. That was a particular problem for those people who took the original test prior to Chromo2 which only covered about 300 Y-DNA SNPs and 300 mtDNA SNPs. The company also got a lot of the mtDNA haplogroup assignments wrong.

    The POBI data is available to researchers through the European Genome-phenome Archive. Here's a link:

    https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ega/datasets

    Here are links to the two datasets:

    https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ega/datasets/EGAD00010000632

    https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ega/datasets/EGAD00010000634

    There is a Data Access Committee that reviews access permissions. Commercial companies can also apply for access. The POBI data is currently being used by Living DNA and by AncestryDNA. AncestryDNA are using the data for their new Communities feature which is currently available to a limited number of customers. See their ASHG abstract:

    https://ep70.eventpilot.us/web/page....6&id=160121614
    I tested Chromo2 with Cymru/Britain's DNA, it was my first test. I found my results interesting but limited, leaving me with the question "where do I go from here" (not being at all informed about DNA). No-one seemed interested in Chromo2, it was all Big Y etc. yet it was sold as the test which would tell you everything you needed to know. It has taken me a few years and some effort to make some progress on understanding more about my ancestry.
    I agree that what is disappointing is that there must be a lot of "British" results sat around somewhere that no-one is doing much with, but I suppose that could be said of some other testing companies. It certainly has made me think twice about paying out big money for some other tests. John

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    I think it worth remembering when Chromo2 came out it was the best one shot Y_SNP test out there, I recommended it to a number of people but told them not to order the all Singing all Dancing Fluff version : )

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    Am I mistaken in thinking that BritainsDNA could really enhance its sales by offering genealogical y-dna matching the way FTDNA does? If BDNA gave customers their STR test results, matched them to other BDNA customers, and offered them the opportunity to contact matches via email, it seems to me they would do a booming business. The reason I think this is because I know a lot of Americans, Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders, etc., would love to get a chance to be checked for y-dna matches against a largely UK and Irish database.
     


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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    Am I mistaken in thinking that BritainsDNA could really enhance its sales by offering genealogical y-dna matching the way FTDNA does? If BDNA gave customers their STR test results, matched them to other BDNA customers, and offered them the opportunity to contact matches via email, it seems to me they would do a booming business. The reason I think this is because I know a lot of Americans, Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders, etc., would love to get a chance to be checked for y-dna matches against a largely UK and Irish database.
    Did BDNA test STRs, I thought it was just a SNP test ?

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    It was just an SNP test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian Stevenson View Post
    It was just an SNP test.
    Right, and there was/is no matching. It seems to me that if BDNA started giving customers STRs and a matching service the way FTDNA does, their business would boom. I know I personally would love to have my STRs compared to a British and Irish y-dna database, and I don't think I'm alone in that.
     


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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    Right, and there was/is no matching. It seems to me that if BDNA started giving customers STRs and a matching service the way FTDNA does, their business would boom. I know I personally would love to have my STRs compared to a British and Irish y-dna database, and I don't think I'm alone in that.
    BDNA never asked for authorization from folks to share their results with others. For this reason, they never developed a matching service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wing Genealogist View Post
    BDNA never asked for authorization from folks to share their results with others. For this reason, they never developed a matching service.
    They never asked for authorization because they did not plan on offering matching services. The decision not to offer matching preceded the decision not to ask for authorization.

    They missed a golden opportunity, IMO.
     


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