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    upside-down pyramids?

    Maybe related to ANE culture also:
    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...merican-Indian


    “An archeologist takes photo for unearthed cultural relics in an ancient tomb at Chenpo Village of Xiangfan, a city in central China's Hubei province. Archeologists have almost completed the excavation of a small ancient tomb dating back to the Period of Warring States (475-221 B.C.) at Chenpo Village”


    Xioungnu tomb: “The burial constructions of Xiongnu chiefs and other highranking tribesmen emerged on the steppe in the threshold of the eras. These constructions resembled the burial sites of the Qin and Early Han nobility. “


    http://www.kaogu.cn/en/Special_Event...222/52514.html

    http://scfh.ru/en/papers/complete-th...f-the-heavens/

    Olmec Chalcatzingo stone carving relic


    “Chacana Symbol-Tree of Life” (Picture from Aztec and Maya by Fejervary-Mayer)


    “Ya” Shape

    The “ya” symbol represents the center of the universe; Two stone carvings are found in an important ruin, Chalcatzingo, of the Olmec culture in Mexico. The stone carvings depict zoomorphic figures with a mouth wide open representing the door between the worlds of the living and the dead. The opening of the mouth divides the boundaries between heaven and earth while the four corners facing inward allow space for four respective trees. The ya shape represents a cosmic diagram for the Olmec people with a big mouth and boundaries of heaven and earth in the four corners. Moreover, the trees assist in traversing between heaven and earth known as the four "cosmic trees”. This picture, the earth is square, but at each corner there are four trees, resulting in an inverted corner and creating a “ya” shape. In looking back at the “ya” shape, it raises a question: Did the “ya” shape from the Shang dynasty also form this way? Regarding Zong Miao Ming Tang that contains four cosmic trees, either “ruo tree”, “jian mu”, or “fusang”, were there indents because of these trees? In other words, is it because the Zong Miao Ming Tang had four trees, which resulted in the “ya” shape?
    Note: KC Chang, Qingtong Huichen
    http://www.ancient-encounters.com/AESE/Discovery.html
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    You're reading too much into superficial similarities between pit burials and ... diagrams. Also, the same article you quoted states why the Xiongnu burial looked like Chinese burials:

    The Xiongnu burial constructions did not illustrate the habits and skills of nomads, but evidenced adoption of the Han China culture and technology by the steppe population...
    Since you often quote Wikipedia, you might as well read the Wikipedia article on the tombs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noin-Ula_burial_site, which again suggests heavy Chinese influence.

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    Xioungnu tomb: “The burial constructions of Xiongnu chiefs and other highranking tribesmen emerged on the steppe in the threshold of the eras. These constructions resembled the burial sites of the Qin and Early Han nobility.
    http://www.kaogu.cn/en/Special_Event...222/52514.html
    Qin Shi Huang's pyarmid (up & down 2 pyramids):

    And Qin Shi Huang's tomb is also thought to be encircled with rivers of liquid mercury, which the ancient Chinese believed could bestow immortality.
    http://www.ancient-origins.net/ancie...reasure-002568

    An archaeologist has discovered liquid mercury at the end of a tunnel beneath a Mexican pyramid, a finding that could suggest the existence of a king’s tomb or a ritual chamber far below one of the most ancient cities of the Americas
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...id-teotihuacan


    Archaeologists have discovered a second structure within the famous pyramid of Kukulkan at the Mayan ruins of Chichen Itza. Last year, archaeologists used electrical imaging techniques to find that the pyramid, which is also known as El Castillo, was built atop a subterranean river, or a cenote. Experts have long known that a smaller pyramid is encapsulated underneath the visible temple. Today they said they had detected an even smaller structure inside the outer two layers.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...chen-Itza.html

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    why Hindu and chinese pyramid are similar to mayan pyramids?

    https://pparihar.com/2015/10/06/hind...culture-proof/


    Ancient records preserved in an old monastery near the Mongolian border describe the Xian pyramid. The structure was said to measure 1,000 feet in height which made it the highest pyramid in the world (the Great Pyramid of Egypt is 450 feet in height). According to the monastic documents the pyramid was already extremely old when the records were made. In the valleys surrounding the Xian pyramid were dozens of other pyramids, some rising to an elevation almost as great. Surviving traces of original pigments show that the Xian pyramid was painted with different colours on each on its four flanks. The east side was bluish grey, with white facing the west, black on the north, and red on the south. It should be noted that other ancient monuments such as the Maya, Aztecs, and many Indian tribes of North America associated the four cardinal directions with different colours. In 1994, archaeologists discovered several pyramids near the Wei River, north of Xian. Hausdorf estimates there may be as many 90 to 100 pyramids in China, including the White Pyramid which is the highest of them all. All of them are mostly unheard of in the Western world.
    https://ancient-code.com/the-great-p...on-the-planet/

    ==> I think there was an basic blue-print of pyramid in altai where people did their journey each other.

    Here is blue-print of mayan pyramids, I think:

    http://www.altrimenti.net/2014/11/ok...o-agarthi.html

    4T life trees:


    looks like R1a-z93 might have it also:


    A mandala (Sanskrit: मण्डल, maṇḍala; literally "circle") is a spiritual and ritual symbol in Hinduism and Buddhism, representing the universe.[1] In common use, "mandala" has become a generic term for any diagram, chart or geometric pattern that represents the cosmos metaphysically or symbolically; a microcosm of the universe. The basic form of most mandalas is a square with four gates containing a circle with a center point. Each gate is in the general shape of a T.[2][3] Mandalas often exhibit radial balance.[4] The term appears in the Rigveda as the name of the sections of the work, and Vedic rituals use Mandalas such as Navagraha mandala to this day. Mandala is also used in Buddhism. In various spiritual traditions, mandalas may be employed for focusing attention of practitioners and adepts, as a spiritual guidance tool, for establishing a sacred space and as an aid to meditation and trance induction.
    P.s

    http://cogniarchae.com/2016/11/06/th...headed-figure/

    Unlike the Yangshao and Hemudu people, who came from southern China, the Huang Di nation came from west of China, from the western part of the Eurasian continent. They conquered the native people of the Yellow River and the Yangtze River, who possessed a developed agricultural culture. By combining their own imported cultural factors with those of the native culture, the Huang Di people gradually developed a splendid new civilization in the Xia, Shang, and Zhou dynasties. They superseded the original native people to take the leading role on the stage of Chinese history. That the Huang Di nation was a branch of the archaic Indo-European people is one of the most remarkable facts thus far known to human history. But a large number of Indo-European words in Old Chinese language clearly attest to this fact. The relics left by the Huang Di people are related to the Longshan Culture in the archaeological chronicle, and the civilization of the Xia, Shang, Zhou, and Qin秦 dynasties were its successors.27 Evidence for this claim comes from two sources: the first uses the evidence of ancient documents to show that the Zhou people, and thus the Yellow Emperor’s nation, were originally a nomadic people, and the second is to reveal that there were a large number of Indo-European words in the Zhou language, using the evidence of historical linguistics. The third is the similarity in religion between the Huang Di people and Proto-Indo-European. As to the last point, please refer to the author’s paper “Old Chinese ‘帝*tees’ and Proto-Indo-European ‘*deus’: Similarity in Religious Ideas and a Common Source in Linguistics” (Zhou 2005).
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    Pyramid El Castillo:

    http://casadelmayordomo.com/english/...llo/index.html

    "Gandau" statues used in Kalash funery art:


    http://understanding-our-past.blogsp...andau-and.html

    Modern pachisi board game in India:


    http://www.davidpratt.info/americas1.htm

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    I already asked where is the civilization of Q people in altai bronze.
    Their culture is the same as mesoamerican culture. Both have a same civilization creator, serpent and feathered God Votan which is the same concept of Indra and Zeus, and chines Di also
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....tai-petroglyph

    Here is another step pyramid in west China, shimao:

    https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/9...-1200x1079.jpg

    https://www.archaeology.org/images/N...ep-Pyramid.jpg


    A 4,300-year-old city, which has a massive step pyramid that is at least 230 feet (70 meters) high and spans 59 acres (24 hectares) at its base, has been excavated in China, archaeologists reported in the August issue of the journal Antiquity.
    The pyramid was decorated with eye symbols and "anthropomorphic," or part-human, part-animal faces. Those figures "may have endowed the stepped pyramid with special religious power and further strengthened the general visual impression on its large audience," the archaeologists wrote in the article. [The 25 Most Mysterious Archaeological Finds on Earth]
    For five centuries, a city flourished around the pyramid. At one time, the city encompassed an area of 988 acres (400 hectares), making it one of the largest in the world, the archaeologists wrote. Today, the ruins of the city are called "Shimao," but its name in ancient times is unknown.
    The pyramid contains 11 steps, each of which was lined with stone. On the topmost step, there "were extensive palaces built of rammed earth, with wooden pillars and roofing tiles, a gigantic water reservoir, and domestic remains related to daily life," the researchers wrote.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kristin.../#c05461e44b9a
    https://www.livescience.com/63406-ma...hed-china.html

    Shimao's significance is twofold. First of all, a previously unrecognised Neolithic community has been identified with many unusual practices, including, most notably, large-scale stone fortifications—implying a competitive or even hostile social environment—and the presence of bronze knives, arrowheads and ornaments, comparable with those of similar periods in the steppe, alongside jade and Longshan-type pottery, with strong links to wider, central-Chinese Neolithic developments. Secondly, the site and the associated areas with similar stone fortified centres were evidently important links between the peoples of the steppe, in present-day Inner Mongolia and farther north, and the much better-known large sites at Taosi and Erlitou, regarded as the founding centres of China's Bronze Age culture
    https://static.cambridge.org/resourc...ub-status=live

    Figure 4. Drawing of three single-edged knives: a) of the Elunio culture, 2000–1800 BC, Russian Altai, length around 220mm; b) from Shimao, 2000–1800 BC, length around 100mm:c) Erlitou, 1700–1600 BC, length around 255mm (drawing by John Rawson).

    https://www.cambridge.org/core/journ...5F/core-reader

    These new observations suggest that the distribution of metal spearheads from the Seima-Turbino Culture to northern China represents the diffusion and spread of the metallurgical technique. From the metallurgical perspective in particular, the bronze casting of spearheads indicates the origin of piece-mould casting and core-casting technology, which influenced the bronze vessel casting method in China. We therefore suggest that the early Chinese metallurgy of the Lower Xiajiadian Culture in the western Liao River area can be linked to the Seima-Turbino Culture; this technique had spread from the Altai Mountain area to northern China via the Taosi Culture. After spreading to the Lower Xiajiadian Culture, it finally arrived at the Qijia Culture of Qinghai and Gansu provinces in the west
    Elunio culture is a seima turbino culture, where 1Q was found so far.

    shimao and seima same linguistics root?
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    Quote Originally Posted by johen View Post
    Qin Shi Huang's pyarmid (up & down 2 pyramids):


    And Qin Shi Huang's tomb is also thought to be encircled with rivers of liquid mercury, which the ancient Chinese believed could bestow immortality.
    http://www.ancient-origins.net/ancie...reasure-002568

    An archaeologist has discovered liquid mercury at the end of a tunnel beneath a Mexican pyramid, a finding that could suggest the existence of a king’s tomb or a ritual chamber far below one of the most ancient cities of the Americas
    I think this people really kept the philosophy of mayby ancient altai more than Mayan, enough to build step pyramid up and down leading to underworld & heaven.


    http://mexico-rivieramaya.eu/index.php?page=kosmologie

    Graves go down five steps and ended with the steep and deep pit. Special digging platforms were constructed inside the graves; traces of such constructions were noted in the grave walls at Noyon Uul barrows 20, 31 and 22. A dromos leads to the upper portion of the grave. A hoist was used for dropping wooden elements of the burial structure and coffin with the dead body into the tomb. The burial construction resembles the Zhou, Qin and early Han tombs in China.
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