South Asian Wegene Results

[Raza94]

Some actual Arabs are R1a too. Not sure if they are L-567 specifically though. Although, most Arabs are some variant of J.

I thought I had read something that The Hashemite tribe was J1? I could be wrong about that though. So would that make some Arabs descendants of Aryans?

[Sapporo]

I thought I had read something that The Hashemite tribe was J1? I could be wrong about that though. So would that make some Arabs descendants of Aryans?

Honestly, I'm not too well versed on how R1a made its way into the Arab states of the Persian Gulf. I'd imagine it had to be via Iran but don't quote me on that.

[bmoney]

It's not by religion but by location. Jatts in more Eastern areas score higher steppe, while those in the western areas score higher Caucasian for the most part. So, Haryana/UP Jats will have more steppe than East Punjabi/Sikh Jatts, who on the other hand will score higher steppe than West Punjabi/Muslim Jatts, and the shift is basically reversed for 'Caucasian'.

they also seem to have a more SW Asian tilt (West Punjabis)

Baloch and Caucasian seem to be correlated in SA - I call it the Indus shift which is more present in Western Punjab compared to the steppe shift (higher SI higher NE Euro/Med) in SE Punjab and Haryana

[bmoney]

Very hard to say for you imo. You have very low NE Euro for a Punjabi person, and higher than average SW Asian. I think the Syed lineage claims of your family (if I recall correctly), are most likely real.

Habibi has almost the same SW Asian

[bmoney]

Ahhhh okay that makes sense, thank you. Do you have any idea what my results would be closest to? Its been hard to try and pin point it and to me it seems at this point its just a mix of a bunch of different things.

MDLP:

# Population Percent
1 South_Central_Asian 35.17
2 South_Indian 34.60
3 Caucasian 9.13
4 Ancestral_Altaic 3.86
5 Near_East 3.41
6 Arctic 2.60
7 Australoid 2.33
8 European_Hunters_Gatherers 2.22
9 European_Early_Farmers 1.83
10 Tungus-Altaic 1.77
11 South_East_Asian 1.21
12 East_Siberian 1.05


Harrapa:
# Population Percent
1 Baloch 37.84
2 S-Indian 34.94
3 Caucasian 13.85
4 NE-Euro 4.38
5 SW-Asian 3.09
6 Siberian 1.99
7 NE-Asian 1.38
8 E-African 1.17

Raza could you post your Harappa oracles

[Kulin]

Its a combination of factors from what I notice caste rigidity and geography. A good chunk of those Punjabi Jats are similar to the Haryana ones but slightly less Steppe and slightly more Iran_N shifted and AASI shifted , largely due to loosening of caste rigidity to a degree, with Punjabi Muslim Jats , often who come from the same clan groups , Steppe drops further and AASI rises further as caste rigidity in Islam is more fluid which allowed absorption of women from other groups. Caucasus for the vast majority of SAs represents excess Iran_N , or something modal between Iran_N and CHG.

In terms of caste rigidity, actually there are Muslim Jats in Western UP/Haryana as well. Wiki says they maintain clan exogamy and community endogamy like neighbouring Hindu groups. Punjabi Jats of Pakistan often marry within the same clan, and I have often heard that in urban areas, intercaste marriages are pretty common.

[khanabadoshi]

Hey Raza94, the same Raza94 from r/Pakistan? Welcome to the forum! Looks like you are getting some analysis here already
Sorry for being so busy. Hopefully you've gotten some clarity here!

[khanabadoshi]

Honestly, I'm not too well versed on how R1a made its way into the Arab states of the Persian Gulf. I'd imagine it had to be via Iran but don't quote me on that.

I thought I had read something that The Hashemite tribe was J1? I could be wrong about that though. So would that make some Arabs descendants of Aryans?

My prevailing theory is that a bunch of people took a boat from Persian side of the Gulf to the Arab side. Occam's Razor.
Yes, that would make some Arabs of Aryan-Iranian descent. However, some people would disagree with that conclusion.

[pegasus]

In terms of caste rigidity, actually there are Muslim Jats in Western UP/Haryana as well. Wiki says they maintain clan exogamy and community endogamy like neighbouring Hindu groups. Punjabi Jats of Pakistan often marry within the same clan, and I have often heard that in urban areas, intercaste marriages are pretty common.

Those are largely Muley Jats , my Kalash friend use to study in Fsd and said a large number of them live there but as I recall, the 2 results I saw long time back were similar to the other Pakistani Jats. Saporro can confirm this as this his area of expertise.

[agent_lime]

South Asian 82.06%
Sindhi 76.75%
Bengali 4.64%
Indian 0.66%

European 13.75%
Hungarian 13.74%

Central Asian 1.70%
Kyrgyz 1.14%
Uzbek 0.56%

Middle Eastern 0.90%
Iranian 0.89%

Oceanian 0.79%
Papuan 0.79%

Others 0.79%