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    DF63 (L21>DF63)

    The ranks of DF63 folks are growing plus we have some potential granularity with CTS6919 and F3901.2 both possibly splitting DF63.


    I found another couple of surnames that are good suspects. This one might be CTS6919+
    f200827 Gregory zzL21suspect

    He has some similarities with
    fN66966 Gery R1b-P312>L21>DF63>CTS6919+


    Here is one that could be F3901.2+
    fN3917 Moore

    He has some common off-modals with
    f14713 Sutherland R1b-P312>L21>DF63>F3901.2+

    Nothing to write home about, but they should investigate DF63.


    There is a DF63 project.
    http://www.familytreedna.com/public/...ction=yresults
    Last edited by Mikewww; 05-21-2013 at 01:21 AM.

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    Here are the DF63+ confirmed and suspected folks by region. I'll highlight the continental folks.

    f232541 Roma DF63+ Z290+ CTS6919- L144- X1363-219-A Spain, Catalonia, Borredà
    fN66966 Gery CTS6919+ L69- 3c1g X1363-6919- uas France, Bretagne, Finistère, Morlaix
    f167223 LeBlanc L21+ DF13- X1363- uas France, Poitou-Charente, Vienne, Martaizé, Vienne
    f243119 Bertrand DF63+ CTS6919- L144- X1363-21 France, Poitou-Charentes, Charente-Maritime, La Rochelle
    f229499 Bertrand DF63+ Z290+ L144- X1363-21 France
    f236449 Bertrand L21+ L144- X1363-21 France
    f238019 Bertrand L21+ L144- X1363-21 France
    f234677 Bertrand DF63+ CTS6919- L144- X1363-21 France
    f127090 LeBlanc DF63+ X1363- uas France
    fH1922 Schaefer CTS6919+ X1363-6919- uas Germany, Rhineland-Palatinate, Neuwied, Linz am Rhein
    fN110523 Brunhoeber CTS6919+ Z290+ L144- X1363-6919- uas Germany
    f37031 Bush X1363-219 England, East, Essex, Stock
    fN72406 Darke DF63+ L144- 3c1g X1363-1014 England, London
    fN90495 Passmore L21+ L144- X1363-219 England, South West, Devonshire
    f107154 Pearse L21+ X1363-219 England, South West, Devonshire, Yealmpton
    f15536 Broom X1363-219-A England
    f15172 Broom DF63+ X1363-219-A England
    f250172 Broom DF63+ X1363-219-A England
    f12380 Broome X1363-219-A England
    f31903 Bush DF63+ L69- L144- L195- X1363-219 England
    f36886 Bush DF63+ X1363-219 England
    f240012 De Brome DF63+ X1363-219-A England
    f49976 Franklin CTS6919+ L144- L195- X1363-6919-1011 England
    fB2414 Franklin CTS6919+ X1363-6919-1011 England
    f51598 Franklin DF63+ X1363-6919-1011 England
    f54798 Franklin CTS6919+ L144- X1363-6919-1011 England
    f174870 Franklin CTS6919+ X1363-6919-1011 England
    f85548 Franklin X1363-6919-1011 England
    f31399 Lambert L21+ L144- X1363-6919-1415 England
    f158115 McBroom X1363-219-A England
    f3268 Douglas X1363-219 Ireland, Ulster
    f245311 MacFarlane X1363-6919-1415 Ireland, Ulster
    f156473 McFarland DF63+ X1363-6919-1415 Ireland, Ulster
    f79381 McFarland X1363-6919-1415 Ireland, Ulster
    f105405 McFarland X1363-6919-1415 Ireland, Ulster
    f253055 McFarland DF63+ X1363-6919-1415 Ireland, Ulster
    f267785 McFarland DF63+ X1363-6919-1415 Ireland, Ulster
    f194544 McFarlane X1363-6919-1415 Ireland, Ulster
    fN3917 Moore X1363- uas Ireland, Ulster
    f258363 Withrow X1363-6919-1011 Ireland, Ulster
    f68467 zzzUnknown X1363-6919-1415 Ireland, Ulster
    f172350 McFarlane CTS6919+ L144- L195- X1363-6919-1415 Ireland, Ulster, Co. Fermanagh, Dromore Parish
    fN16301 McFarland DF63+ X1363-6919-1415 Ireland, Ulster, Co. Tyrone
    f188353 McFarland DF63+ L144- X1363-6919-1415 Ireland, Ulster, Co. Tyrone
    fN76446 McFarlin CTS6919+ L144- X1363-6919-1415 Ireland, Ulster, Co. Tyrone
    f221632 Givens X1363-6919-1415 Ireland
    f202607 MacFarlane DF63+ X1363-6919-1415 Ireland
    f36667 McAlister X1363-6919-1415 Ireland
    f250082 zzzUnk(McFarlane) X1363-6919-1415 Ireland
    f208171 Allan DF63+ Z290+ CTS6919- L144- X1363-219-A Scotland, Fife, Kilconquhar
    f130889 McFarlane X1363-6919-1415 Scotland, Perthshire, Callendar
    f224420 Lowden DF63+ X1363- uas Scotland, Tayside, Dundee
    f237196 Lowden DF63+ X1363- uas Scotland, Tayside, Dundee
    f191950 Lowden DF63+ L459+ Z245+ Z260+ CTS6919- Z2542- L144- X1363- uas Scotland, Tayside, Forfarshire, Dundee
    f14713 Sutherland F3901+ X1363- uas Scotland, Lothian, Edinburgh
    f143673 McFarlane X1363-6919-1415 Scotland, Central, Stirlingshire, Buchanan Parish
    f154169 McFarlane X1363-6919-1415 Scotland, Central, Stirlingshire, Kilmadock
    f50803 McFarlane X1363-6919-1415 Scotland, Strathclyde, Argyllshire, Glenorchy, Druim Lighart
    f124448 McFarlane L21+ X1363-6919-1415 Scotland, Strathclyde, Dunbartonshire
    f58476 MacFarlane DF63+ X1363-6919-1415 Scotland, Strathclyde, Dunbartonshire, East Dunbartonshire, Lennox
    f113242 McFarlane X1363-6919-1415 Scotland, Strathclyde, Dunbartonshire, East Dunbartonshire, Lennox
    f123258 McFarlane X1363-6919-1415 Scotland, Strathclyde, Dunbartonshire, East Dunbartonshire, Lennox
    f230321 McFarlane CTS6919+ X1363-6919-1415 Scotland, Strathclyde, Lanarkshire, Glasgow
    f113383 Black X1363-6919-1415 Scotland
    f34193 Broom X1363-219-A Scotland
    fN11946 Broom DF63+ X1363-219-A Scotland
    f136331 Broom DF63+ X1363-219-A Scotland
    f195504 Lennox DF63+ X1363-6919-1415 Scotland
    f247319 MacFarlin X1363-6919-1415 Scotland
    f204474 McAlister DF63+ L144- X1363-6919-1415 Scotland
    f98697 McAllister DF63+ L144- X1363-6919-1415 Scotland
    f112070 McBroom X1363-219-A Scotland
    f77891 McFarland X1363-6919-1415 Scotland
    f149904 McFarland X1363-6919-1415 Scotland
    f246996 McFarland X1363-6919-1415 Scotland
    f101775 McFarland X1363-6919-1415 Scotland
    f158745 McFarlane X1363-6919-1415 Scotland
    f53360 McFarlane X1363-6919-1415 Scotland
    f80281 McFarlin L21+ L144- X1363-6919-1415 Scotland
    f174395 Thomas DF63+ X1363-1014 Scotland
    f190774 zzzUnk(Allen) X1363-219 Scotland
    f211601 zzzUnk(McFarlane) X1363-6919-1415 Scotland
    f12311 Broom L21+ X1363-219-A UK
    f154024 Broom X1363-219-A UK
    f175816 Brown DF63+ X1363-21 UK
    f23488 McAlister X1363-6919-1415 UK
    f61519 McFarlane X1363-6919-1415 UK
    f8042 Sims DF63+ L144- X1363-219 UK
    f267631 Black X1363-6919-1415 zzzUnkOrigin
    fN51736 Black CTS6919+ X1363-6919-1415 zzzUnkOrigin
    f206124 Black DF63+ X1363-6919-1415 zzzUnkOrigin
    f242907 Black X1363-6919-1415 zzzUnkOrigin
    f109264 Black DF63+ X1363-6919-1415 zzzUnkOrigin
    f14194 Broom L21+ X1363-219-A zzzUnkOrigin
    f47769 Broom X1363-219-A zzzUnkOrigin
    f156866 Broom X1363-219-A zzzUnkOrigin
    f15246 Broom DF63+ X1363-219-A zzzUnkOrigin
    f15537 Broom DF63+ X1363-219-A zzzUnkOrigin
    f195501 Broom DF63+ X1363-219-A zzzUnkOrigin
    f15494 Broome DF63+ X1363-219-A zzzUnkOrigin
    f163192 Broome DF63+ X1363-219-A zzzUnkOrigin
    f180338 Chavez DF63+ L144- X1363- uas zzzUnkOrigin
    f211188 Franklin DF63+ X1363- uas zzzUnkOrigin
    f81528 Franklin L21+ X1363-6919-1011 zzzUnkOrigin
    f31309 Franklin DF63+ X1363-6919-1011 zzzUnkOrigin
    f2351 Franklin X1363-6919-1011 zzzUnkOrigin
    f60254 Franklin X1363-6919-1011 zzzUnkOrigin
    f200107 Franklin X1363-6919-1011 zzzUnkOrigin
    f77315 Franklin X1363-6919-1011 zzzUnkOrigin
    f8496 Franklin X1363-6919-1011 zzzUnkOrigin
    f1304 Franklin X1363-6919-1011 zzzUnkOrigin
    f43887 Franklin X1363-6919-1011 zzzUnkOrigin
    f51260 Franklin(Hall) X1363-6919-1011 zzzUnkOrigin
    f200827 Gregory X1363- uas zzzUnkOrigin
    f208546 Hendrix X1363-219-A zzzUnkOrigin
    f218190 Irvine DF63+ X1363-6919-1415 zzzUnkOrigin
    f64434 Irvine X1363-6919-1415 zzzUnkOrigin
    f181757 Irvine X1363-6919-1415 zzzUnkOrigin
    f97313 Lyons L21+ X1363-219 zzzUnkOrigin
    f171640 McBroom X1363-219-A zzzUnkOrigin
    f216101 McFarland X1363-6919-1415 zzzUnkOrigin
    f61105 McFarland X1363-6919-1415 zzzUnkOrigin
    f48766 McFarland X1363-6919-1415 zzzUnkOrigin
    f39652 McFarland X1363-6919-1415 zzzUnkOrigin
    f216092 McFarlane X1363-6919-1415 zzzUnkOrigin
    f137406 McKenzie L21+ X1363-219 zzzUnkOrigin
    f74638 Paynter L21+ L144- X1363-219 zzzUnkOrigin
    f165512 Senechal L21+ L144- X1363-219 zzzUnkOrigin
    f236265 zzzUnk(McFarlane) X1363-6919-1415 zzzUnkOrigin
    f201523 zzzUnk(McFarlane) X1363-6919-1415 zzzUnkOrigin
    f203471 zzzUnk(McFarlane) DF63+ X1363-6919-1415 zzzUnkOrigin

    Last edited by Mikewww; 05-20-2013 at 04:39 PM.

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    DF63 (L21>DF63)

    DF63 is the "other" subclade of L21 as the little brother to DF13. DF63 does have multiple STR signatures and quite a number of people. I had this attached to DF13* discussions but DF63 deserves its own thread.
    Last edited by Mikewww; 05-21-2013 at 01:21 AM.

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    There is a new DF13- this morning: Passmore, kit N90495. He has DF63 on order already. Passmore's mdka came from Devon, which, I believe, makes him the most western instance of DF13- we've seen thus far.

    He has no matches at 67 or 37 markers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    There is a new DF13- this morning: Passmore, kit N90495. He has DF63 on order already. Passmore's mdka came from Devon, which, I believe, makes him the most western instance of DF13- we've seen thus far.

    He has no matches at 67 or 37 markers.
    Passmore got his DF63+ result this morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    Passmore got his DF63+ result this morning.
    I think you asked somewhere why there was some thought he might be DF63+ and not just DF13-. He is in variety X1363-219 which is named for the combination of 413a<=21 511=9. So far, these folks have been coming up DF63+. The large Broom surname group has this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewww View Post
    I think you asked somewhere why there was some thought he might be DF63+ and not just DF13-. He is in variety X1363-219 which is named for the combination of 413a<=21 511=9. So far, these folks have been coming up DF63+. The large Broom surname group has this.
    Thanks. I was wondering if the thinking was that he would be DF63-. Passmore's mdka came from Devon. Am I wrong in thinking that makes him the westernmost DF63+ thus far?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    Thanks. I was wondering if the thinking was that he would be DF63-. Passmore's mdka came from Devon. Am I wrong in thinking that makes him the westernmost DF63+ thus far?
    Here are the people with Irish MDKAs that either are DF63+ or are good matches, so I guess they are furthest west. Most of the large McFarlane/McFarlin group lists Scotland as the origin, though, and they are all related.

    f3268 Douglas - Ulster, Ireland
    f172350 McFarlane - Ulster, Ireland
    fN76446 McFarlin - Ulster, Ireland
    f80281 McFarlin - Ulster, Ireland
    f250082 zzzUnk(McFarlane) - Ireland

    That's it for Ireland, which is low for an L21+ group.

    There are 19 from England, 8 from France and 2 from Germany to go with the winner, Scotland with 33. 18 of the Scots are McFarlane's.

    There is no one from Wales.

    We have one proven DF63+ from Spain
    f232541 Roma

    and another good suspect from Spain
    f29108 Garcia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewww View Post
    Here are the people with Irish MDKAs that either are DF63+ or are good matches, so I guess they are furthest west. Most of the large McFarlane/McFarlin group lists Scotland as the origin, though, and they are all related.

    f3268 Douglas - Ulster, Ireland
    f172350 McFarlane - Ulster, Ireland
    fN76446 McFarlin - Ulster, Ireland
    f80281 McFarlin - Ulster, Ireland
    f250082 zzzUnk(McFarlane) - Ireland

    That's it for Ireland, which is low for an L21+ group.

    There are 19 from England, 8 from France and 2 from Germany to go with the winner, Scotland with 33. The 18 of the Scots are McFarlane's.
    Those are all Scots surnames, so probably "Scots-Irish". It seems Ireland is still solidly DF13+.

    Without looking, I seem to recall the McFarlanes were from Scotland's east coast. I think Passmore may actually be the westernmost DF63+, at least the westernmost British DF63+.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewww View Post
    I found another couple of surnames that are good suspects. This one might be CTS6919+
    Here is one that could be F3901.2+
    fN3917 Moore

    He has some common off-modals with
    f14713 Sutherland R1b-P312>L21>DF63>F3901.2+
    I've checked out this kit, and I find it more likely that he is U152 -> Z36. I base that on a GD of 3@67 with kit f128037 and several shared off modals.

    We've sent emails to some 5-10 kit owners lately, suggesting DF63 testing, but the response rate has been quite low.

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