DF63 (L21>DF63)

[TigerMW]

The ranks of DF63 folks are growing plus we have some potential granularity with CTS6919 and F3901.2 both possibly splitting DF63.


I found another couple of surnames that are good suspects. This one might be CTS6919+
f200827 Gregory zzL21suspect

He has some similarities with
fN66966 Gery R1b-P312>L21>DF63>CTS6919+


Here is one that could be F3901.2+
fN3917 Moore

He has some common off-modals with
f14713 Sutherland R1b-P312>L21>DF63>F3901.2+

Nothing to write home about, but they should investigate DF63.


There is a DF63 project.
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/...ction=yresults

[TigerMW]

Here are the DF63+ confirmed and suspected folks by region. I'll highlight the continental folks.

f232541 Roma DF63+ Z290+ CTS6919- L144- X1363-219-A Spain, Catalonia, Borredà
fN66966 Gery CTS6919+ L69- 3c1g X1363-6919- uas France, Bretagne, Finistère, Morlaix
f167223 LeBlanc L21+ DF13- X1363- uas France, Poitou-Charente, Vienne, Martaizé, Vienne
f243119 Bertrand DF63+ CTS6919- L144- X1363-21 France, Poitou-Charentes, Charente-Maritime, La Rochelle
f229499 Bertrand DF63+ Z290+ L144- X1363-21 France
f236449 Bertrand L21+ L144- X1363-21 France
f238019 Bertrand L21+ L144- X1363-21 France
f234677 Bertrand DF63+ CTS6919- L144- X1363-21 France
f127090 LeBlanc DF63+ X1363- uas France
fH1922 Schaefer CTS6919+ X1363-6919- uas Germany, Rhineland-Palatinate, Neuwied, Linz am Rhein
fN110523 Brunhoeber CTS6919+ Z290+ L144- X1363-6919- uas Germany
f37031 Bush X1363-219 England, East, Essex, Stock
fN72406 Darke DF63+ L144- 3c1g X1363-1014 England, London
fN90495 Passmore L21+ L144- X1363-219 England, South West, Devonshire
f107154 Pearse L21+ X1363-219 England, South West, Devonshire, Yealmpton
f15536 Broom X1363-219-A England
f15172 Broom DF63+ X1363-219-A England
f250172 Broom DF63+ X1363-219-A England
f12380 Broome X1363-219-A England
f31903 Bush DF63+ L69- L144- L195- X1363-219 England
f36886 Bush DF63+ X1363-219 England
f240012 De Brome DF63+ X1363-219-A England
f49976 Franklin CTS6919+ L144- L195- X1363-6919-1011 England
fB2414 Franklin CTS6919+ X1363-6919-1011 England
f51598 Franklin DF63+ X1363-6919-1011 England
f54798 Franklin CTS6919+ L144- X1363-6919-1011 England
f174870 Franklin CTS6919+ X1363-6919-1011 England
f85548 Franklin X1363-6919-1011 England
f31399 Lambert L21+ L144- X1363-6919-1415 England
f158115 McBroom X1363-219-A England
f3268 Douglas X1363-219 Ireland, Ulster
f245311 MacFarlane X1363-6919-1415 Ireland, Ulster
f156473 McFarland DF63+ X1363-6919-1415 Ireland, Ulster
f79381 McFarland X1363-6919-1415 Ireland, Ulster
f105405 McFarland X1363-6919-1415 Ireland, Ulster
f253055 McFarland DF63+ X1363-6919-1415 Ireland, Ulster
f267785 McFarland DF63+ X1363-6919-1415 Ireland, Ulster
f194544 McFarlane X1363-6919-1415 Ireland, Ulster
fN3917 Moore X1363- uas Ireland, Ulster
f258363 Withrow X1363-6919-1011 Ireland, Ulster
f68467 zzzUnknown X1363-6919-1415 Ireland, Ulster
f172350 McFarlane CTS6919+ L144- L195- X1363-6919-1415 Ireland, Ulster, Co. Fermanagh, Dromore Parish
fN16301 McFarland DF63+ X1363-6919-1415 Ireland, Ulster, Co. Tyrone
f188353 McFarland DF63+ L144- X1363-6919-1415 Ireland, Ulster, Co. Tyrone
fN76446 McFarlin CTS6919+ L144- X1363-6919-1415 Ireland, Ulster, Co. Tyrone
f221632 Givens X1363-6919-1415 Ireland
f202607 MacFarlane DF63+ X1363-6919-1415 Ireland
f36667 McAlister X1363-6919-1415 Ireland
f250082 zzzUnk(McFarlane) X1363-6919-1415 Ireland
f208171 Allan DF63+ Z290+ CTS6919- L144- X1363-219-A Scotland, Fife, Kilconquhar
f130889 McFarlane X1363-6919-1415 Scotland, Perthshire, Callendar
f224420 Lowden DF63+ X1363- uas Scotland, Tayside, Dundee
f237196 Lowden DF63+ X1363- uas Scotland, Tayside, Dundee
f191950 Lowden DF63+ L459+ Z245+ Z260+ CTS6919- Z2542- L144- X1363- uas Scotland, Tayside, Forfarshire, Dundee
f14713 Sutherland F3901+ X1363- uas Scotland, Lothian, Edinburgh
f143673 McFarlane X1363-6919-1415 Scotland, Central, Stirlingshire, Buchanan Parish
f154169 McFarlane X1363-6919-1415 Scotland, Central, Stirlingshire, Kilmadock
f50803 McFarlane X1363-6919-1415 Scotland, Strathclyde, Argyllshire, Glenorchy, Druim Lighart
f124448 McFarlane L21+ X1363-6919-1415 Scotland, Strathclyde, Dunbartonshire
f58476 MacFarlane DF63+ X1363-6919-1415 Scotland, Strathclyde, Dunbartonshire, East Dunbartonshire, Lennox
f113242 McFarlane X1363-6919-1415 Scotland, Strathclyde, Dunbartonshire, East Dunbartonshire, Lennox
f123258 McFarlane X1363-6919-1415 Scotland, Strathclyde, Dunbartonshire, East Dunbartonshire, Lennox
f230321 McFarlane CTS6919+ X1363-6919-1415 Scotland, Strathclyde, Lanarkshire, Glasgow
f113383 Black X1363-6919-1415 Scotland
f34193 Broom X1363-219-A Scotland
fN11946 Broom DF63+ X1363-219-A Scotland
f136331 Broom DF63+ X1363-219-A Scotland
f195504 Lennox DF63+ X1363-6919-1415 Scotland
f247319 MacFarlin X1363-6919-1415 Scotland
f204474 McAlister DF63+ L144- X1363-6919-1415 Scotland
f98697 McAllister DF63+ L144- X1363-6919-1415 Scotland
f112070 McBroom X1363-219-A Scotland
f77891 McFarland X1363-6919-1415 Scotland
f149904 McFarland X1363-6919-1415 Scotland
f246996 McFarland X1363-6919-1415 Scotland
f101775 McFarland X1363-6919-1415 Scotland
f158745 McFarlane X1363-6919-1415 Scotland
f53360 McFarlane X1363-6919-1415 Scotland
f80281 McFarlin L21+ L144- X1363-6919-1415 Scotland
f174395 Thomas DF63+ X1363-1014 Scotland
f190774 zzzUnk(Allen) X1363-219 Scotland
f211601 zzzUnk(McFarlane) X1363-6919-1415 Scotland
f12311 Broom L21+ X1363-219-A UK
f154024 Broom X1363-219-A UK
f175816 Brown DF63+ X1363-21 UK
f23488 McAlister X1363-6919-1415 UK
f61519 McFarlane X1363-6919-1415 UK
f8042 Sims DF63+ L144- X1363-219 UK
f267631 Black X1363-6919-1415 zzzUnkOrigin
fN51736 Black CTS6919+ X1363-6919-1415 zzzUnkOrigin
f206124 Black DF63+ X1363-6919-1415 zzzUnkOrigin
f242907 Black X1363-6919-1415 zzzUnkOrigin
f109264 Black DF63+ X1363-6919-1415 zzzUnkOrigin
f14194 Broom L21+ X1363-219-A zzzUnkOrigin
f47769 Broom X1363-219-A zzzUnkOrigin
f156866 Broom X1363-219-A zzzUnkOrigin
f15246 Broom DF63+ X1363-219-A zzzUnkOrigin
f15537 Broom DF63+ X1363-219-A zzzUnkOrigin
f195501 Broom DF63+ X1363-219-A zzzUnkOrigin
f15494 Broome DF63+ X1363-219-A zzzUnkOrigin
f163192 Broome DF63+ X1363-219-A zzzUnkOrigin
f180338 Chavez DF63+ L144- X1363- uas zzzUnkOrigin
f211188 Franklin DF63+ X1363- uas zzzUnkOrigin
f81528 Franklin L21+ X1363-6919-1011 zzzUnkOrigin
f31309 Franklin DF63+ X1363-6919-1011 zzzUnkOrigin
f2351 Franklin X1363-6919-1011 zzzUnkOrigin
f60254 Franklin X1363-6919-1011 zzzUnkOrigin
f200107 Franklin X1363-6919-1011 zzzUnkOrigin
f77315 Franklin X1363-6919-1011 zzzUnkOrigin
f8496 Franklin X1363-6919-1011 zzzUnkOrigin
f1304 Franklin X1363-6919-1011 zzzUnkOrigin
f43887 Franklin X1363-6919-1011 zzzUnkOrigin
f51260 Franklin(Hall) X1363-6919-1011 zzzUnkOrigin
f200827 Gregory X1363- uas zzzUnkOrigin
f208546 Hendrix X1363-219-A zzzUnkOrigin
f218190 Irvine DF63+ X1363-6919-1415 zzzUnkOrigin
f64434 Irvine X1363-6919-1415 zzzUnkOrigin
f181757 Irvine X1363-6919-1415 zzzUnkOrigin
f97313 Lyons L21+ X1363-219 zzzUnkOrigin
f171640 McBroom X1363-219-A zzzUnkOrigin
f216101 McFarland X1363-6919-1415 zzzUnkOrigin
f61105 McFarland X1363-6919-1415 zzzUnkOrigin
f48766 McFarland X1363-6919-1415 zzzUnkOrigin
f39652 McFarland X1363-6919-1415 zzzUnkOrigin
f216092 McFarlane X1363-6919-1415 zzzUnkOrigin
f137406 McKenzie L21+ X1363-219 zzzUnkOrigin
f74638 Paynter L21+ L144- X1363-219 zzzUnkOrigin
f165512 Senechal L21+ L144- X1363-219 zzzUnkOrigin
f236265 zzzUnk(McFarlane) X1363-6919-1415 zzzUnkOrigin
f201523 zzzUnk(McFarlane) X1363-6919-1415 zzzUnkOrigin
f203471 zzzUnk(McFarlane) DF63+ X1363-6919-1415 zzzUnkOrigin

[TigerMW]

DF63 is the "other" subclade of L21 as the little brother to DF13. DF63 does have multiple STR signatures and quite a number of people. I had this attached to DF13* discussions but DF63 deserves its own thread.

[rms2]

There is a new DF13- this morning: Passmore, kit N90495. He has DF63 on order already. Passmore's mdka came from Devon, which, I believe, makes him the most western instance of DF13- we've seen thus far.

He has no matches at 67 or 37 markers.

[rms2]

There is a new DF13- this morning: Passmore, kit N90495. He has DF63 on order already. Passmore's mdka came from Devon, which, I believe, makes him the most western instance of DF13- we've seen thus far.

He has no matches at 67 or 37 markers.

Passmore got his DF63+ result this morning.

[TigerMW]

Passmore got his DF63+ result this morning.

I think you asked somewhere why there was some thought he might be DF63+ and not just DF13-. He is in variety X1363-219 which is named for the combination of 413a<=21 511=9. So far, these folks have been coming up DF63+. The large Broom surname group has this.

[rms2]

I think you asked somewhere why there was some thought he might be DF63+ and not just DF13-. He is in variety X1363-219 which is named for the combination of 413a<=21 511=9. So far, these folks have been coming up DF63+. The large Broom surname group has this.

Thanks. I was wondering if the thinking was that he would be DF63-. Passmore's mdka came from Devon. Am I wrong in thinking that makes him the westernmost DF63+ thus far?

[TigerMW]

Thanks. I was wondering if the thinking was that he would be DF63-. Passmore's mdka came from Devon. Am I wrong in thinking that makes him the westernmost DF63+ thus far?

Here are the people with Irish MDKAs that either are DF63+ or are good matches, so I guess they are furthest west. Most of the large McFarlane/McFarlin group lists Scotland as the origin, though, and they are all related.

f3268 Douglas - Ulster, Ireland
f172350 McFarlane - Ulster, Ireland
fN76446 McFarlin - Ulster, Ireland
f80281 McFarlin - Ulster, Ireland
f250082 zzzUnk(McFarlane) - Ireland

That's it for Ireland, which is low for an L21+ group.

There are 19 from England, 8 from France and 2 from Germany to go with the winner, Scotland with 33. 18 of the Scots are McFarlane's.

There is no one from Wales.

We have one proven DF63+ from Spain
f232541 Roma

and another good suspect from Spain
f29108 Garcia

[rms2]

Here are the people with Irish MDKAs that either are DF63+ or are good matches, so I guess they are furthest west. Most of the large McFarlane/McFarlin group lists Scotland as the origin, though, and they are all related.

f3268 Douglas - Ulster, Ireland
f172350 McFarlane - Ulster, Ireland
fN76446 McFarlin - Ulster, Ireland
f80281 McFarlin - Ulster, Ireland
f250082 zzzUnk(McFarlane) - Ireland

That's it for Ireland, which is low for an L21+ group.

There are 19 from England, 8 from France and 2 from Germany to go with the winner, Scotland with 33. The 18 of the Scots are McFarlane's.

Those are all Scots surnames, so probably "Scots-Irish". It seems Ireland is still solidly DF13+.

Without looking, I seem to recall the McFarlanes were from Scotland's east coast. I think Passmore may actually be the westernmost DF63+, at least the westernmost British DF63+.

[k.o.gran]

I found another couple of surnames that are good suspects. This one might be CTS6919+
Here is one that could be F3901.2+
fN3917 Moore

He has some common off-modals with
f14713 Sutherland R1b-P312>L21>DF63>F3901.2+

I've checked out this kit, and I find it more likely that he is U152 -> Z36. I base that on a GD of [email protected] with kit f128037 and several shared off modals.

We've sent emails to some 5-10 kit owners lately, suggesting DF63 testing, but the response rate has been quite low.

-Kai
R1b-DF63 project admin