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    Thumbs up 23andme new designation for U152 and L2

    For some strange reason, 23andme now refers to all R-U152+ and R-L2+ tested individuals as PF6570.

    I've been involved with U152 for over 4 years and had to look up what PF6570 was. Many of us are quite familiar with the "S28" designation for U152, but how many of you knew PF6570 is a third name for U152? It's not even mentioned as on the FTDNA U152. project page.

    A quick google search of the terms "U152 ydna" "S28 ydna" and "PF6570 ydna" illustrates the use of each term

    U152 ydna 41,500 google hits
    S28 ydna 4,800 google hits
    PF6570 ydna 228 hits.

    What are they thinking? Something like, "I know, let's be different and pick the SNP name that no one ever uses, or knows...that will confuse everyone". PF = Paolo Francalacci. Maybe 23andme has to use his SNP designation for some reason.

    On top of this, L2+ men are now just lumped in with the rest of the U152+ men. I don't get. That's two steps backwards. I sent them a message asking about it but never heard anything back.

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    EDIT just discovered another thread where this was being discussed. http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...ure-on-23andMe
    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 12-27-2016 at 01:20 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Il PapÓ View Post
    Well, that's for those who have been upgraded to the new version, it's been more than a year that I should have been upgraded but it seems that I will stay forever with my R1b1b2a1a2d* and that ridiculous story about R1B coming from last glacial maximum refugia

    And I thought I was the only one complaining about 23andmes lack of hospitality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    For some strange reason, 23andme now refers to all R-U152+ and R-L2+ tested individuals as PF6570.

    I've been involved with U152 for over 4 years and had to look up what PF6570 was. Many of us are quite familiar with the "S28" designation for U152, but how many of you knew PF6570 is a third name for U152? It's not even mentioned as on the FTDNA U152. project page.

    A quick google search of the terms "U152 ydna" "S28 ydna" and "PF6570 ydna" illustrates the use of each term

    U152 ydna 41,500 google hits
    S28 ydna 4,800 google hits
    PF6570 ydna 228 hits.

    What are they thinking? Something like, "I know, let's be different and pick the SNP name that no one ever uses, or knows...that will confuse everyone". PF = Paolo Francalacci. Maybe 23andme has to use his SNP designation for some reason.

    On top of this, L2+ men are now just lumped in with the rest of the U152+ men. I don't get. That's two steps backwards. I sent them a message asking about it but never heard anything back.

    23andmeY-tree.png

    EDIT just discovered another thread where this was being discussed. http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...ure-on-23andMe
    Update; 23andme has changed the designation from PF6570 to U152. I commend them for making this change to a more recognizable/well known name for this mutation.
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    Norway 5%
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    37% Mediterranean
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    U152: BY3644 @ Vallum Aelium
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    Now U152 and on the new experience

    Quote Originally Posted by Solothurn View Post
    I remain R1b1b2a1a2d*, but I am still on the old 'experience'
    LivingDNA:

    GB and Ire 98.5%
    South Germanic 1.5%


    Ancestry:

    Eng, Wales & NW Euro 50%
    North Eng, Ire and Scot 39%
    Norway 5%
    Sweden 4%
    Germanic Europe 2%

    NatGen:

    42% North Euro
    37% Mediterranean
    19% SW Asian

    Known ancestral lines:

    U152: BY3644 @ Vallum Aelium
    H1c3b Salford (mother)
    U4a3a Biddick, Durham (pat grandfather's mother)
    U198 Stanhope, Durham (pat gg grandfather)
    K1a-T195C! Wigan, Lancs (pat grandmother)

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