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    W6a

    That's my dad's haplogroup. We have a whole lot of Finnish and Lithuanian matches. In fact it looks like there's a new level to be had under it with A4164G which he shares with a group from Finland. After that we have a mutation on 234 and a back mutation on 207 that no one else seems to have.

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    Here is a really great website about mtDNA haplogroup W: http://www.thecid.com

    So far I only tested as W, but most likely I'm W6a since all of my matches are W6a.

    The list of my matches on HVR1 and HVR2:

    mtDNA Haplogroup
    W6a
    W
    W6a
    W6a
    W6a

    W
    W
    W
    W
    W6a
    W
    W6a
    W6-C16192T
    W6a
    W
    W6a
    W6a
    W6a
    W6a
    W6a
    W6a


    AFAIK, only two ancient DNA samples of W6a have been found so far:

    W6a ; Russia; Yamnaya, Lopatino II, Sok River, Samara 3500-2700 BCE

    W6a ; Germany; Corded Ware, Esperstedt 2566-2477 BCE
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    Wow, thank you so much Tomenable. I especially like that website.

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    It seems that I have W6 for sure (and most likely W6a), since I have defining mutations of W6 HVR1 16192 & HVR1 16325, and almost all of my matches are W6a. I have C at HVR1 16325 and T at HVR1 16192:

    Position / CRS / Your Result
    16192 / C / T
    16325 / T / C

    According to this website, these mutations define W6:

    http://www.thecid.com/w6.htm

    It seems that W6 emerged among CHG hunters ca. 10,000 years ago and then migrated to the Steppe with CHG ancestry, where it (some subclades of it, including W6a) became part of the PIE community:

    W6 appeared in the area between the Black & Caspian Seas, perhpas in what is now Georgia, ~10,000 years ago.
    Ancient samples of W6a (see above) were found in Yamnaya culture and in Corded Ware culture so far, so this subclade is definitely associated with Indo-European migrations. Here is a map of modern distribution of W6 (the highest concentration today is in Georgia, where around 5,2% of the population carry it):



    Ancient samples of confirmed W6:

    W6: Va7, ~5500-4500 BC, Vinča culture Romania

    W6c: Lopatino I, ~3090-2910 BC, Yamnaya Russia

    W6a: Lopatino II, ~3500-2700 BC, Yamnaya Russia
    W6a: Esperstedt, ~2566-2477 BC, Corded Ware Germany
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    I have a similar match list as you at HVRI. It looks like all the branches below W6 at phylotree are in the coding region except for 16211 which is in W6c1a. I have the HVRII mutations listed above but don't share them with anyone. Looks like there's little reason to get HVRII upgrades, only a full test would fully define you're place in the tree.

    Sometimes the history of mtDNA subgroups are so generic as compared to the Y chromosome side. It's really cool to see that we're getting down into the weeds enough that we can restrict some ancestral women into specific cultures.

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    One new ancient sample of W6a, from Baltic Corded Ware, from Mittnik et. al. 2017:

    ~3500-2700 BC, Yamnaya, Lopatino II, Russia
    ~3260-2630 BC, Corded Ware, Plinkaigalis, Lithuania
    ~2566-2477 BC, Corded Ware, Esperstedt, Germany

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    Hi, I just joined and have been looking for other W6a's with the A4164G I have been only able to go back to my gr.gr. gr grndm only because her name was listed on my gr.gr grndm's death certificate it has her maiden name as Anna Poofam I am thinking that this might be a phonetic spelling on most records it has my gr.gr arriving in the U.S. from Prussia

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    Thank you it helps

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    Cool. Welcome cousin! W6a is supposed to have been born roughly 4500 BC. So the A4164G must have occurred sometime after that but not sure when. Do you have a mutation on 207 or 234? I've got a back mutation (A207G!) and another mutation (A234G) but so far no other testers have them.

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    If you feel like you can submit to GenBank. Here's a thread which talks about it. I did it with help from Ian Logan. My understanding is that GenBank is what they update the phylotree with which is the tree that FTDNA uses. So if we have enough A4164G tested people submit their info to GenBank then eventually we can get added to the next build of phylotree or the one after that and become W6a1.

    Once that happens it should be paid more attention to in the scientific literature and maybe they'll test for it in ancient samples or determine some estimated age for the group and other fun stuff. But just FYI that doing so puts your personal mtDNA out there for everyone to see. I believe you can also submit anonymously so it's not linked to your name or anything.

    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...ll=1&styleid=2

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