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    Welsh Y-DNA and claim of 25% descending from rulers of the Middle Age

    Good morning,

    when I was surfing the Net, I found this article about Welsh genetics: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wa...-welsh-8308111

    I ask if someone knows something more about the Y-DNA haplogroup markers of those 25% Welsh people descending from 20 rulers and notables.

    Thanks in advance to everybody.

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    In modern Wales there are a lot of people who weren't originally of Welsh Y descent.
    Having said that, before the industrial revolution, the population of Wales was less than 500,000 and if you go far enough back a lot of people could be descended from a small number of individuals, as well as lots of other people of course. I think most people would regard the emphasis on "Kings and "Warlords" as more a marketing tool than anything else. John

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romilius View Post
    Good morning,

    when I was surfing the Net, I found this article about Welsh genetics: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wa...-welsh-8308111

    I ask if someone knows something more about the Y-DNA haplogroup markers of those 25% Welsh people descending from 20 rulers and notables.

    Thanks in advance to everybody.
    Im sceptical of that claim to be honest, and I certainly do not seem to fit into that Ydna profile.

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    Thanks for answers. I'm also sure that the words used in the article are emotional. But I think that a little bit of truth must be present: probably, some of those 25% people can trace their origins documentally until a middle age chieftain. I see that the article is totally vague about all: it throws a rock, but it hides its hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romilius View Post
    Good morning,

    when I was surfing the Net, I found this article about Welsh genetics: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wa...-welsh-8308111

    I ask if someone knows something more about the Y-DNA haplogroup markers of those 25% Welsh people descending from 20 rulers and notables.

    Thanks in advance to everybody.
    Sounds like a Moffat sound bite, ie more BDNA headline grabbing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romilius View Post
    Good morning,

    when I was surfing the Net, I found this article about Welsh genetics: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wa...-welsh-8308111

    I ask if someone knows something more about the Y-DNA haplogroup markers of those 25% Welsh people descending from 20 rulers and notables.

    Thanks in advance to everybody.
    Yes, it is marketing hype.
    There is an old saying that among the ancestors of every king is a ploughman, and among the ancestors of every ploughman a king.
    Jane Austen said something to the effect that women marry up, men marry down.
    Overall there is some mobility.
    Generally, the better off have more children - despite occasional purges of nobles to root out actual or possible threats and rivals.
    Some of the later-born spare males have to take on lowlier roles to make a living.
    Some of this may be seen from the children of Queen Victoria - or even the present sovereign.
    Something like 30% of the English are said to descend from Edward III, but that is aDNA not just Y.

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    I think they're talking about L371. I forget the BritainsDNA S nomenclature equivalent. They made a big deal about it in one of those Wales Cymru DNA tv shows.

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    I think we forget how small, relatively speaking, the population of Great Britain was in the past. I was watching a TV programme recently which said the UK population during the English Civil War which isn't that long ago, was less than 5 million, the point they were making was that relative to the population, it had a bigger impact than World War One
    Apparently around 1066 the population of England was just over a million, so I would think the population of Wales would be around 100,000 maybe less (?) and there have been a lot of wars, plagues, etc. since then and we descend from the survivors. I think it's quite possible that the pre-Norman population of Wales could trace back to a relatively small number of "Y" ancestors maybe? The further you go back, the smaller the population. John
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnHowellsTyrfro View Post
    I think we forget how small, relatively speaking, the population of Great Britain was in the past. I was watching a TV programme recently which said the UK population during the English Civil War which isn't that long ago, was less than 5 million, the point they were making was that relative to the population, it had a bigger impact than World War One
    Apparently around 1066 the population of England was just over a million, so I would think the population of Wales would be around 100,000 maybe less (?) and there have been a lot of wars, plagues, etc. since then and we descend from the survivors. I think it's quite possible that the pre-Norman population of Wales could trace back to a relatively small number of "Y" ancestors maybe? The further you go back, the smaller the population. John
    I think the same thing... But I'm curious: to state that the 25% of a population descends from 20 cca notables of the Middle Age, we must have at least two different people with genealogical records until that period and that their paternal line branched more or less in that period from a notable among those 20 men. From the article, it seems they are speaking about Y-DNA haplogroup markers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romilius View Post
    I think the same thing... But I'm curious: to state that the 25% of a population descends from 20 cca notables of the Middle Age, we must have at least two different people with genealogical records until that period and that their paternal line branched more or less in that period from a notable among those 20 men. From the article, it seems they are speaking about Y-DNA haplogroup markers.
    I would be more convinced if we had DNA from these "Kings and Warlords" . I guess the assumption is that because many people share the same Y DNA they must be descended from a small number of powerful men, but that is just an assumption. John

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