Page 1 of 29 12311 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 284

Thread: GED Match and DNA land: Uttar Pradesh,Bihari and Bengali DNA?

  1. #1
    Registered Users
    Posts
    171
    Sex
    Ethnicity
    Indian
    Nationality
    British
    Y-DNA
    O

    India Pakistan United Kingdom

    Lightbulb GED Match and DNA land: Uttar Pradesh,Bihari and Bengali DNA?

    Hi all


    I am new to this forum

    Since getting my Ancestry DNA results yesterday, I have been using a variety of programmes to try and get more accurate results. I have found that DNA land broadly concurs with Harappa DNA on GED match in certain ways.

    Just a quick summary of my background, my mother was born in Basti, Uttar Pradesh but her mother was born in Patna, Bihar and her father was born in Harihans, Siwan district, Bihar. Both her parents are cousins so they are likely to share some DNA, what I do know however is that my great great grandmother was born in Azamgarh, Uttar Pradesh. Interestingly this Uttar Pradesh connection was reflected in Harappa DNA.

    To add to this mix, half of my mother's family are settled in Pakistan so they were especially keen to hear if I had any Arab DNA, I am under no illusions however and have long suspected that we are converts.

    According to family traditions is that our ancestors migrated into Bihar from Delhi during the time of Feroz Shah Tughluq, I believe something different happened.


    According to "The Limited Raj: Agrarian Relations in Colonial India, Saran District, 1793-1920" by Anand A Yang, apparently Muslim control of the region was only complete by the end of the 15th Century and despite this local Hindu rajas remained independent in all but name.

    https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...lement&f=false

    My father's family hail from Hooghly and Howrah districts in West Bengal and have remained in the region for centuries. Very little is known about them except that one of my direct paternal ancestors was a Subedar so possibly a native officer in the East India Company Army in the first half of the 19th Century.

    This is my data from GED match based on the Harappa DNA admixture:

    Population
    S-Indian 47.31
    Baloch 32.68
    Caucasian 5.83
    NE-Euro 4.67
    SE-Asian 2.99
    Siberian 0.79
    NE-Asian 1.47
    Papuan 0.71
    American 1.23
    Beringian 0.62
    Mediterranean 1.69
    SW-Asian -
    San -
    E-African -
    Pygmy -
    W-African -

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 47.31
    2 Baloch 32.68
    3 Caucasian 5.83
    4 NE-Euro 4.67
    5 SE-Asian 2.99
    6 Mediterranean 1.69
    7 NE-Asian 1.47
    8 American 1.23
    9 Siberian 0.79
    10 Papuan 0.71
    11 Beringian 0.62

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 up (harappa) 3.58
    2 karnataka-brahmin (harappa) 3.86
    3 bihari (harappa) 3.88
    4 rajasthani (harappa) 4.06
    5 maharashtrian (harappa) 4.2
    6 ap-brahmin (xing) 4.65
    7 bihari-muslim (harappa) 4.82
    8 kerala-christian (harappa) 4.84
    9 singapore-indian-b (sgvp) 5.05
    10 caribbean-indian (harappa) 5.07
    11 iyer-brahmin (harappa) 5.29
    12 tn-brahmin (xing) 5.4
    13 iyengar-brahmin (harappa) 5.42
    14 ap-hyderabad (harappa) 5.47
    15 brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu) 5.48
    16 srivastava (reich) 5.67
    17 meghawal (reich) 5.75
    18 up-kshatriya (metspalu) 6.06
    19 gujarati (harappa) 6.1
    20 kerala-muslim (harappa) 6.28

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 55.4% kashmiri-pahari (harappa) + 44.6% satnami (reich) @ 1.29
    2 50.2% punjabi-arain (xing) + 49.8% satnami (reich) @ 1.47
    3 55.9% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 44.1% satnami (reich) @ 1.58
    4 92% maharashtrian (harappa) + 8% bonda (chaubey) @ 1.79
    5 92% maharashtrian (harappa) + 8% juang (chaubey) @ 1.8
    6 91.7% maharashtrian (harappa) + 8.3% kharia (chaubey) @ 1.85
    7 58.1% tharu (reich) + 41.9% punjabi-arain (xing) @ 1.89
    8 91.8% maharashtrian (harappa) + 8.2% savara (chaubey) @ 1.93
    9 91.6% maharashtrian (harappa) + 8.4% ho (chaubey) @ 1.94
    10 53% tharu (reich) + 47% kashmiri-pahari (harappa) @ 1.98
    11 86.2% tn-brahmin (xing) + 13.8% great-andamanese (reich) @ 2.03
    12 56.8% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 43.2% bengali-brahmin (harappa) @ 2.03
    13 60.2% kashmiri-pahari (harappa) + 39.8% gond (metspalu) @ 2.05
    14 52.4% tharu (reich) + 47.6% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) @ 2.06
    15 52.7% lodi (reich) + 47.3% up-muslim (harappa) @ 2.1
    16 88.6% maharashtrian (harappa) + 11.4% sahariya (reich) @ 2.1
    17 56.9% punjabi-arain (xing) + 43.1% chenchu (reich) @ 2.11
    18 50.8% dusadh (metspalu) + 49.2% up-muslim (harappa) @ 2.13
    19 92.8% karnataka-brahmin (harappa) + 7.2% kharia (reich) @ 2.13
    20 92.7% karnataka-brahmin (harappa) + 7.3% ho (chaubey) @ 2.14


    A579692_B5B155.gif

    My DNA land results:

    DNA land.jpg

    I was also wondering if anyone could explain the presence of Mediterranean DNA? I am interested in hearing people's opinions.
    Last edited by deuterium_1; 01-16-2017 at 10:56 PM.

  2. The Following 12 Users Say Thank You to deuterium_1 For This Useful Post:

     Censored (03-17-2018),  Deftextra (01-24-2017),  dp (01-17-2017),  jortita (01-17-2017),  khanabadoshi (01-18-2017),  kush (08-04-2017),  MonkeyDLuffy (01-17-2017),  redifflal (02-08-2017),  Reza (01-16-2017),  rockman (01-17-2017),  Varun R (01-17-2017),  Zayd (01-18-2017)

  3. #2
    Registered Users
    Posts
    371
    Sex
    Location
    Riverboat Chili
    Ethnicity
    Brahmin Mixed S India
    Nationality
    American
    Y-DNA
    R1a1a1b2a1a (Y7+)
    mtDNA
    M5a2a

    United States of America India Myanmar
    To be honest, I have a low opinion of DNA land, and HarappaWorld is somewhat outdated. Could you post Eurogenes K13 and results from some of the Gedrosia calculators (ie NearEast Neolithic K13 and Ancient Eurasia K6)? Hopefully Parasar comments, as he is the resident Bihari.

  4. The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to Varun R For This Useful Post:

     bmoney (01-11-2018),  deuterium_1 (01-17-2017),  dp (01-17-2017),  jortita (01-17-2017),  khanabadoshi (01-18-2017),  Reza (01-17-2017),  Zayd (01-18-2017)

  5. #3
    Registered Users
    Posts
    1,538
    Sex
    Ethnicity
    Assamese
    Nationality
    Indian
    Y-DNA
    R1a1
    mtDNA
    M13'46'61

    India China Tajikistan Mongolia Russian Federation Papua New Guinea
    I agree with Varun R on Harappa World, would appreciate if you could please post results for the new Gedrosia calculators. Please also do post your Ancestry DNA results

  6. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to jortita For This Useful Post:

     deuterium_1 (01-17-2017),  khanabadoshi (01-18-2017)

  7. #4
    Registered Users
    Posts
    80
    Sex
    Ethnicity
    Indian/Mixed
    Nationality
    American
    Y-DNA
    R1b1 P25+
    mtDNA
    M4'67

    India Pakistan Bangladesh United States of America
    Is your father Bengali? I would assume with the lower SE Asian he isn't but not sure.

  8. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to rockman For This Useful Post:

     deuterium_1 (01-17-2017),  Reza (01-17-2017)

  9. #5
    Registered Users
    Posts
    171
    Sex
    Ethnicity
    Indian
    Nationality
    British
    Y-DNA
    O

    India Pakistan United Kingdom
    I am trying to encourage other members of my family to take this too. I can then guide them using the information which you all so kindly provided.

    Quote Originally Posted by Varun R View Post
    To be honest, I have a low opinion of DNA land, and HarappaWorld is somewhat outdated. Could you post Eurogenes K13 and results from some of the Gedrosia calculators (ie NearEast Neolithic K13 and Ancient Eurasia K6)? Hopefully Parasar comments, as he is the resident Bihari.
    Here it is:

    Eurogenes K13:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 South_Asian 61.22
    2 West_Asian 22.76
    3 East_Asian 4.65
    4 North_Atlantic 4.49
    5 East_Med 1.57
    6 Baltic 1.51
    7 Amerindian 0.99
    8 Siberian 0.76
    9 Oceanian 0.74
    10 Sub-Saharan 0.66
    11 West_Med 0.65

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Kshatriya 6.71
    2 Dharkar 6.81
    3 Bangladeshi 7.34
    4 Gujarati 7.91
    5 Kanjar 7.97
    6 Brahmin_UP 9.39
    7 Velamas 9.51
    8 Uttar_Pradesh 9.7
    9 Kurumba 10.08
    10 Kol 11.14
    11 Dusadh 11.25
    12 Chenchu 13
    13 North_Kannadi 13.05
    14 Piramalai 14.31
    15 Sakilli 17.1
    16 Chamar 17.76
    17 Sindhi 21.04
    18 Punjabi_Jat 21.57
    19 Pathan 25.19
    20 Burusho 26.54

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 62.2% Chenchu + 37.8% Sindhi @ 2.86
    2 71.1% Chenchu + 28.9% Kalash @ 3.22
    3 62.9% Chenchu + 37.1% Punjabi_Jat @ 3.24
    4 75.6% Chenchu + 24.4% Balochi @ 3.32
    5 81.2% Uttar_Pradesh + 18.8% Balochi @ 3.53
    6 77.4% Dusadh + 22.6% Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.53
    7 81.2% Uttar_Pradesh + 18.8% Brahui @ 3.54
    8 79.8% Dusadh + 20.2% Tadjik @ 3.61
    9 69.7% Uttar_Pradesh + 30.3% Sindhi @ 3.61
    10 84.1% Dusadh + 15.9% Tabassaran @ 3.65
    11 81.2% Uttar_Pradesh + 18.8% Makrani @ 3.66
    12 75.8% Chenchu + 24.2% Brahui @ 3.68
    13 68.7% Sakilli + 31.3% Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.83
    14 64.3% Gujarati + 35.7% Chenchu @ 3.9
    15 84.5% Dusadh + 15.5% Lezgin @ 3.93
    16 81.3% Gujarati + 18.7% Austroasiatic_Ho @ 3.95
    17 75.4% Piramalai + 24.6% Tadjik @ 3.97
    18 66.8% Chenchu + 33.2% Pathan @ 4
    19 84.6% Dusadh + 15.4% Chechen @ 4
    20 84.8% Dusadh + 15.2% Ossetian @ 4.06


    Gedrosia NearEast Neolithic K13:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 ANCESTRAL_INDIAN 42.52
    2 IRAN_NEOLITHIC 35.06
    3 EHG 7.09
    4 SE_ASIAN 4.36
    5 CHG_EEF 3.95
    6 PAPUAN 3.74
    7 SHG_WHG 1.03
    8 ANATOLIA_NEOLITHIC 0.86
    9 POLAR 0.73
    10 SUB_SAHARAN 0.62
    11 SIBERIAN 0.04

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 GujaratiB 6.82
    2 Punjabi 7.42
    3 GujaratiA 8.36
    4 GujaratiC 10.41
    5 Sindhi 10.81
    6 Burusho 10.83
    7 GujaratiD 13.98
    8 Bengali 14.92
    9 Pathan 16.08
    10 Kurd_SE 18.82
    11 Kalash 21.02
    12 Balochi 23.07
    13 Brahui 23.81
    14 Pashtun_Afghan 25.52
    15 Makrani 26.26
    16 Iranian_Bandari 30.34
    17 Tajik 32.64
    18 Iranian_Shirazi 38.67
    19 Iranian 39.51
    20 Iranian_Mazandarani 39.74

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 93.2% GujaratiB + 6.8% Cambodian @ 4.13
    2 93.1% GujaratiB + 6.9% Thai @ 4.19
    3 52% Bengali + 48% Pathan @ 4.24
    4 92.5% Punjabi + 7.5% Cambodian @ 4.28
    5 94.6% GujaratiB + 5.4% Dai @ 4.29
    6 59% Bengali + 41% Kalash @ 4.32
    7 94% Punjabi + 6% Dai @ 4.34
    8 92.4% Punjabi + 7.6% Thai @ 4.37
    9 95.2% GujaratiB + 4.8% Ami @ 4.39
    10 95.3% GujaratiB + 4.7% Atayal @ 4.4
    11 93.7% Punjabi + 6.3% Han @ 4.42
    12 94.5% GujaratiB + 5.5% Han @ 4.45
    13 94.6% Punjabi + 5.4% Ami @ 4.47
    14 94.6% Punjabi + 5.4% Atayal @ 4.49
    15 93.6% Punjabi + 6.4% Japanese @ 4.61
    16 82.1% Sindhi + 17.9% Kusunda @ 4.62
    17 94.5% GujaratiB + 5.5% Japanese @ 4.66
    18 56.3% Bengali + 43.7% Kurd_SE @ 4.72
    19 59.2% Burusho + 40.8% Bengali @ 4.73
    20 93.3% Punjabi + 6.7% Mongola @ 4.73


    Gedrosia Ancient Eurasia K6:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 35.2
    2 Natufian 24.28
    3 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 23.81
    4 East_Asian 15.27
    5 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 1.44

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 GujaratiD 7.52
    2 Punjabi_PJL 7.75
    3 GujaratiC 8.31
    4 Burusho 8.87
    5 Bengali 9.17
    6 GujaratiB 9.58
    7 GujaratiA 11.11
    8 Punjabi 11.73
    9 Sindhi 14.12
    10 Pathan 15.62
    11 Kalash 16.74
    12 Pashtun_Afghan 17.04
    13 Kurd_SE 20.86
    14 Tajik 21.19
    15 Balochi 22.46
    16 Brahui 23.18
    17 Palliyar 24.27
    18 Makrani 24.78
    19 Baloch_Iranian 26.5
    20 Turkmen 29.39

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 69.5% Bengali + 30.5% Kurd_SE @ 0.97
    2 83.4% GujaratiC + 16.6% Hazara @ 1.18
    3 89.5% Burusho + 10.5% Onge @ 1.24
    4 83.6% GujaratiC + 16.4% Uygur @ 1.26
    5 77.6% Bengali + 22.4% Iran_N @ 1.26
    6 63.1% Bengali + 36.9% Pathan @ 1.28
    7 64.8% Bengali + 35.2% Kalash @ 1.41
    8 79.4% Punjabi_PJL + 20.6% Turkmen @ 1.5
    9 79.9% GujaratiD + 20.1% Turkmen @ 1.52
    10 78.4% Bengali + 21.6% Iranian_Lori @ 1.6
    11 88% GujaratiC + 12% Kyrgyz @ 1.65
    12 77.5% Burusho + 22.5% Paniyas @ 1.66
    13 71.3% Bengali + 28.7% Balochi @ 1.72
    14 74.7% Punjabi + 25.3% Kharia @ 1.72
    15 78.7% Bengali + 21.3% Iran_ChL @ 1.75
    16 74.6% Bengali + 25.4% Baloch_Iranian @ 1.76
    17 73.6% Burusho + 26.4% Palliyar @ 1.77
    18 90.9% Burusho + 9.1% Andamanese @ 1.78
    19 90.9% Burusho + 9.1% Australian @ 1.78
    20 90.9% Burusho + 9.1% Papuan @ 1.78



    Quote Originally Posted by jortita View Post
    I agree with Varun R on Harappa World, would appreciate if you could please post results for the new Gedrosia calculators. Please also do post your Ancestry DNA results
    Sure, here is my Ancestry DNA results:

    Ancestry DNA.jpg

    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    Is your father Bengali? I would assume with the lower SE Asian he isn't but not sure.
    He is Bengali yes, but my family tree only goes back 5 generations on my dad's side.

    On my mother's side, my great great grandfather wrote a family history of his ancestral village which is Harihans in Siwan district, Bihar.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harihans

    I have long doubted this narrative especially as my mum's family history book was only written at the beginning of the 20th Century. It also claims that "records were lost in fires" etc, which all makes it rather suspect.

    My great great grandmother was called Syeda Hamidun Nisa, her father was Syed Abdur Razzak who lived in Azamgarh, Uttar Pradesh. The one interesting fact I know about her is that her brother came to the UK in 1900s and married an English lady in 1909, they had 3 children and one grandchild who may possibly be alive today as he was born in 1948.

    For the past 5 years I have been trying to track down this missing Anglo-Indian branch of my family.
    Last edited by deuterium_1; 01-17-2017 at 09:33 AM.

  10. The Following 9 Users Say Thank You to deuterium_1 For This Useful Post:

     dp (01-17-2017),  jortita (01-17-2017),  khanabadoshi (01-18-2017),  parasar (01-17-2017),  redifflal (02-08-2017),  Reza (01-17-2017),  rockman (01-18-2017),  Varun R (01-17-2017),  Zayd (01-18-2017)

  11. #6
    Gold Class Member
    Posts
    2,921
    Sex
    Location
    Canada
    Ethnicity
    Punjabi Sikh Ramgarhia
    Nationality
    Canadian
    Y-DNA
    R1a-Y2568*
    mtDNA
    M3a2

    India Punjab Canada Azad Baluchistan Sikh Empire Nishan Sahib
    Your results so far seem like normal South Asian muslim results, if you had Arab ancestry, it would have showed in South West Asian. Some South asians especially North West Indians and some Pakistanis do show Mediterrainian in their results, and seeing your one side of family was from UP, which is kinda of Central North India, its not surprising. Here are my results for comparison.

    #PopulationPercent
    1Baloch36.49
    2S-Indian35.15
    3NE-Euro12.79
    4Caucasian10.81
    5Siberian1.72
    6SW-Asian0.82
    7Beringian0.75
    8American0.71
    9NE-Asian0.62
    10Papuan0.15

    Also We can't deny the Foreign mix since most of muslims converted during mughal times, some central asian input is possibility.
    Deg Teg Fateh - Victory to Charity and Arms

    Punjab, Punjabi, Fateh.

  12. The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to MonkeyDLuffy For This Useful Post:

     deuterium_1 (01-17-2017),  dp (01-17-2017),  khanabadoshi (01-18-2017),  Reza (01-17-2017),  rockman (01-18-2017),  Varun R (01-17-2017),  Zayd (01-18-2017)

  13. #7
    Moderator
    Posts
    598
    Sex
    Location
    UK
    Ethnicity
    Bengali
    Y-DNA
    R1a-L657
    mtDNA
    M4b1

    Quote Originally Posted by deuterium_1 View Post
    Hi all


    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 47.31
    2 Baloch 32.68
    3 Caucasian 5.83
    4 NE-Euro 4.67
    5 SE-Asian 2.99
    6 Mediterranean 1.69
    7 NE-Asian 1.47
    8 American 1.23
    9 Siberian 0.79
    10 Papuan 0.71
    11 Beringian 0.62
    Just for comparison here are some Bengali results from NE Bangladesh:

    Mum:

    S-Indian 44.52
    Baloch 30.27
    SE-Asian 6.2
    NE-Asian 4.93
    NE-Euro 3.83
    Caucasian 3.09
    Siberian 2.71
    SW-Asian 1.46
    Mediterranean 1.42
    Papuan 1.01
    American 0.24
    Beringian 0.22
    San 0.08
    Pygmy 0.02

    Myself:

    S-Indian 46.86
    Baloch 28.96
    NE-Asian 6.63
    SE-Asian 5.75
    NE-Euro 5.11
    Siberian 3.54
    SW-Asian 1.63
    Caucasian 0.49
    Papuan 0.4
    American 0.39
    San 0.26

    Wife:

    S-Indian 45.67
    Baloch 29.62
    SE-Asian 8.49
    NE-Euro 4.6
    Siberian 2.73
    NE-Asian 2.6
    Caucasian 2.53
    Mediterranean 1.59
    Papuan 1.2
    American 0.93
    SW-Asian 0.01

    Friend:

    S-Indian 48.07
    Baloch 27.16
    SE-Asian 7.98
    NE-Euro 3.99
    Siberian 3.82
    Caucasian 3.64
    NE-Asian 3.56
    Papuan 0.91
    Mediterranean 0.86



    And eurogenes K13:

    Myself:

    South_Asian 60.23
    West_Asian 15.72
    East_Asian 9.87
    Siberian 4.82
    Baltic 4.49
    Red_Sea 1.88
    Amerindian 0.82
    Northeast_African 0.66
    Oceanian 0.6
    Sub-Saharan 0.56
    North_Atlantic 0.35

    Mum:

    South_Asian 58.23
    West_Asian 17.58
    East_Asian 9.65
    North_Atlantic 4.69
    Siberian 3.11
    Baltic 2.15
    Red_Sea 1.63
    Oceanian 1.18
    Amerindian 0.76
    Northeast_African 0.76
    Sub-Saharan 0.26
    West_Med 0.01

    Wife:

    South_Asian 59.38
    West_Asian 17.7
    East_Asian 10.57
    North_Atlantic 3.14
    Baltic 2.85
    Siberian 2.45
    Oceanian 1.52
    East_Med 0.94
    Amerindian 0.91
    Sub-Saharan 0.53

    Friend:

    South_Asian 61.66
    West_Asian 15.24
    East_Asian 10.56
    North_Atlantic 4.58
    Siberian 4.32
    Baltic 2.61
    Oceanian 0.62
    Sub-Saharan 0.25
    East_Med 0.09
    Northeast_African 0.06
    West_Med 0.01

    Your results don't seem to far off what's expected for Bihar?

    Compared to NE Bengalis .. slightly more West Asian in the context of Caucasian, and more S Asian / S Indian at the expense of less East Asian.

    Though your 3pc SE/NE Asian on harappaworld is probably not far off what your father might presumably have as a Bengali from West Bengal (Bangladeshi muslims seem to be scoring upto 10-11pc on harappaworld).

    I'm not sure of the Mediterranean or SW Asian component. My mum and myself seem to score some of the latter. Like the others have said, there are more recent calculators that might provide more insight for yiu.
    Last edited by Reza; 01-17-2017 at 01:34 PM.

  14. The Following 9 Users Say Thank You to Reza For This Useful Post:

     Deftextra (01-24-2017),  deuterium_1 (01-17-2017),  dp (01-17-2017),  jortita (01-18-2017),  khanabadoshi (01-18-2017),  redifflal (02-08-2017),  Varun R (01-17-2017),  Zaid (11-25-2018),  Zayd (01-18-2017)

  15. #8
    Registered Users
    Posts
    171
    Sex
    Ethnicity
    Indian
    Nationality
    British
    Y-DNA
    O

    India Pakistan United Kingdom
    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    Your results so far seem like normal South Asian muslim results, if you had Arab ancestry, it would have showed in South West Asian. Some South asians especially North West Indians and some Pakistanis do show Mediterrainian in their results, and seeing your one side of family was from UP, which is kinda of Central North India, its not surprising. Here are my results for comparison.

    #PopulationPercent
    1Baloch36.49
    2S-Indian35.15
    3NE-Euro12.79
    4Caucasian10.81
    5Siberian1.72
    6SW-Asian0.82
    7Beringian0.75
    8American0.71
    9NE-Asian0.62
    10Papuan0.15

    Also We can't deny the Foreign mix since most of muslims converted during mughal times, some central asian input is possibility.
    Thanks for sharing your admixture MonkeyDLuffy, which admixture calculator is that from?. I am reluctant to consider a foreign mix because of what I have found out from my own genealogical research (which I conducted at the British library and also during my free time while as a student for one year at the University of Cambridge), I have read in the district British gazetteer for Saran district (which included Siwan district during the British Raj) that many Shaikhs in the district were descended from local converts.

    The earliest known ancestor on my mum's side was Sheikh Azeemullah Siddiqui (which according to my Egyptian friend sounds Afghan rather than Arab), family records claimed he lived in the 14th Century during the Tughluq dynasty, particularly the reign of Firuz Shah Tughluq. Considering that he lived 13 generations ago, he was more likely to have lived in the 16th Century which fits in with what you said about the Mughal era, I believe my mum's family converted during that era.

    Anand Yang argues that there was a migration of Rajputs which accompanied the gradual assertion of Muslim control in Bihar, I think this could possibly account for some of the DNA admixture results?


    Quote Originally Posted by Reza View Post
    Just for comparison here are some Bengali results from NE Bangladesh:

    Mum:

    S-Indian 44.52
    Baloch 30.27
    SE-Asian 6.2
    NE-Asian 4.93
    NE-Euro 3.83
    Caucasian 3.09
    Siberian 2.71
    SW-Asian 1.46
    Mediterranean 1.42
    Papuan 1.01
    American 0.24
    Beringian 0.22
    San 0.08
    Pygmy 0.02

    Myself:

    S-Indian 46.86
    Baloch 28.96
    NE-Asian 6.63
    SE-Asian 5.75
    NE-Euro 5.11
    Siberian 3.54
    SW-Asian 1.63
    Caucasian 0.49
    Papuan 0.4
    American 0.39
    San 0.26

    Wife:

    S-Indian 45.67
    Baloch 29.62
    SE-Asian 8.49
    NE-Euro 4.6
    Siberian 2.73
    NE-Asian 2.6
    Caucasian 2.53
    Mediterranean 1.59
    Papuan 1.2
    American 0.93
    SW-Asian 0.01

    Friend:

    S-Indian 48.07
    Baloch 27.16
    SE-Asian 7.98
    NE-Euro 3.99
    Siberian 3.82
    Caucasian 3.64
    NE-Asian 3.56
    Papuan 0.91
    Mediterranean 0.86



    And eurogenes K13:

    Myself:

    South_Asian 60.23
    West_Asian 15.72
    East_Asian 9.87
    Siberian 4.82
    Baltic 4.49
    Red_Sea 1.88
    Amerindian 0.82
    Northeast_African 0.66
    Oceanian 0.6
    Sub-Saharan 0.56
    North_Atlantic 0.35

    Mum:

    South_Asian 58.23
    West_Asian 17.58
    East_Asian 9.65
    North_Atlantic 4.69
    Siberian 3.11
    Baltic 2.15
    Red_Sea 1.63
    Oceanian 1.18
    Amerindian 0.76
    Northeast_African 0.76
    Sub-Saharan 0.26
    West_Med 0.01

    Wife:

    South_Asian 59.38
    West_Asian 17.7
    East_Asian 10.57
    North_Atlantic 3.14
    Baltic 2.85
    Siberian 2.45
    Oceanian 1.52
    East_Med 0.94
    Amerindian 0.91
    Sub-Saharan 0.53

    Friend:

    South_Asian 61.66
    West_Asian 15.24
    East_Asian 10.56
    North_Atlantic 4.58
    Siberian 4.32
    Baltic 2.61
    Oceanian 0.62
    Sub-Saharan 0.25
    East_Med 0.09
    Northeast_African 0.06
    West_Med 0.01

    Your results don't seem to far off what's expected for Bihar?

    Compared to NE Bengalis .. slightly more West Asian in the context of Caucasian, and more S Asian / S Indian at the expense of less East Asian.

    Though your 3pc SE/NE Asian on harappaworld is probably not far off what your father might presumably have as a Bengali from West Bengal (Bangladeshi muslims seem to be scoring upto 10-11pc on harappaworld).

    I'm not sure of the Mediterranean or SW Asian component. My mum and myself seem to score some of the latter. Like the others have said, there are more recent calculators that might provide more insight for yiu.
    Oh really? forgive my ignorance but I always thought that because of our shared culture, Bengalis in West Bengal and Bangladeshis had similarities even when it came to DNA.

    Which other calculators would you recommend?.
    Last edited by deuterium_1; 01-17-2017 at 03:50 PM.

  16. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to deuterium_1 For This Useful Post:

     jortita (01-18-2017),  khanabadoshi (01-18-2017),  Reza (01-17-2017),  Zayd (01-18-2017)

  17. #9
    Registered Users
    Posts
    171
    Sex
    Ethnicity
    Indian
    Nationality
    British
    Y-DNA
    O

    India Pakistan United Kingdom
    I have run other admixtures as well:

    MDLP World Oracle

    Kit A579692

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Indian 48.92
    2 Caucaus_Parsia 32.36
    3 East_Asian 6.83
    4 North_and_East_European 5.87
    5 South_and_West_European 2.19
    6 Melanesian 1.62
    7 Arctic_Amerind 1.15
    8 Mesoamerican 0.59
    9 Paleo_African 0.25
    10 Sub_Saharian 0.17
    11 North_Asian 0.04

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Jew_India 11.37
    2 Indian 14.43
    3 Sindhi 17.42
    4 Burusho 18.25
    5 Pathan 21.46
    6 Balochi 26.77
    7 Pashtun 29.78
    8 Makrani 31.26
    9 Brahui 31.63
    10 Kalash 33.38
    11 Parsi 33.61
    12 Tadjik 36.83
    13 Roma 37.34
    14 Turkmen 40.93
    15 Uzbek 42.53
    16 Hazara 42.85
    17 Iranian 47.24
    18 Uygur 48.34
    19 Azeri 48.62
    20 Nogai 48.67

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 70.4% Indian + 29.6% Kalash @ 3.62
    2 56.2% Indian + 43.8% Burusho @ 3.72
    3 60.4% Indian + 39.6% Pathan @ 4.26
    4 68.4% Indian + 31.6% Pashtun @ 4.82
    5 55.3% Indian + 44.7% Sindhi @ 5.17
    6 66.1% Indian + 33.9% Balochi @ 5.26
    7 69.9% Indian + 30.1% Brahui @ 5.38
    8 79.5% Indian + 20.5% Avar @ 5.87
    9 79.4% Indian + 20.6% Lak @ 5.98
    10 79.4% Indian + 20.6% Lezgin @ 6.15
    11 79.4% Indian + 20.6% Tabassaran @ 6.21
    12 70.2% Indian + 29.8% Makrani @ 6.24
    13 73.7% Indian + 26.3% Tadjik @ 6.37
    14 81% Indian + 19% Abhkasian @ 6.67
    15 79.9% Indian + 20.1% Chechen @ 6.82
    16 80% Indian + 20% Ossetian @ 6.88
    17 81.6% Indian + 18.4% Georgian_Imereti @ 7.18
    18 80.1% Indian + 19.9% NorthOssetian @ 7.26
    19 80.3% Indian + 19.7% Kabardinian @ 7.54
    20 79.9% Indian + 20.1% Kumyk @ 7.54


    Dodecad V3:

    Kit A579692

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 South_Asian 55.37
    2 West_Asian 12.28
    3 Southeast_Asian 9.32
    4 West_European 8.25
    5 Mediterranean 5.59
    6 East_European 3.95
    7 Northeast_Asian 2.67
    8 Southwest_Asian 1.24
    9 Northwest_African 0.77
    10 Neo_African 0.56

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 AP_Brahmin (Xing) 5.02
    2 Srivastava (Reich) 5.69
    3 Meghawal (Reich) 5.95
    4 TN_Brahmin (Xing) 6.01
    5 Tharu (Reich) 6.27
    6 Vaish (Reich) 6.99
    7 Cochin_Jews (Behar) 7.75
    8 Indian (Dodecad) 8.99
    9 Lodi (Reich) 9.17
    10 Velama (Reich) 10.37
    11 INS (SGVP) 10.49
    12 Hallaki (Reich) 11.9
    13 Naidu (Reich) 12.91
    14 Satnami (Reich) 14.23
    15 GIH (HapMap) 14.89
    16 Kamsali (Reich) 15.1
    17 Pakistani (Xing) 15.16
    18 Sindhi (HGDP) 15.34
    19 Bhil (Reich) 15.76
    20 Vysya (Reich) 15.87

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 76.4% AP_Mala (Xing) + 23.6% Urkarah (Xing) @ 1.42
    2 77.6% Tharu (Reich) + 22.4% Pathan (HGDP) @ 1.58
    3 71.4% Tharu (Reich) + 28.6% Pakistani (Xing) @ 1.71
    4 71.8% Tharu (Reich) + 28.2% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 1.87
    5 92% Tharu (Reich) + 8% Lezgins (Behar) @ 1.92
    6 51.5% Burusho (HGDP) + 48.5% AP_Mala (Xing) @ 1.93
    7 72.9% Tharu (Reich) + 27.1% Kashmiri_Pandit (Reich) @ 2.04
    8 90.6% Tharu (Reich) + 9.4% Urkarah (Xing) @ 2.07
    9 83.2% Tharu (Reich) + 16.8% Balochi (HGDP) @ 2.07
    10 83.8% Tharu (Reich) + 16.2% Brahui (HGDP) @ 2.09
    11 84.5% Tharu (Reich) + 15.5% Kalash (HGDP) @ 2.1
    12 92% Tharu (Reich) + 8% Adygei (HGDP) @ 2.12
    13 77.3% Madiga (Reich) + 22.7% Urkarah (Xing) @ 2.15
    14 76.5% Madiga (Reich) + 23.5% Stalskoe (Xing) @ 2.16
    15 73.9% Tharu (Reich) + 26.1% Burusho (HGDP) @ 2.23
    16 95.6% AP_Brahmin (Xing) + 4.4% CHB (HapMap) @ 2.26
    17 95.7% AP_Brahmin (Xing) + 4.3% CHD (HapMap) @ 2.26
    18 75.3% Mala (Reich) + 24.7% Urkarah (Xing) @ 2.27
    19 95.6% AP_Brahmin (Xing) + 4.4% Tujia (HGDP) @ 2.27
    20 95.8% AP_Brahmin (Xing) + 4.2% CHS (SGVP) @ 2.27

  18. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to deuterium_1 For This Useful Post:

     jortita (01-18-2017),  khanabadoshi (01-18-2017),  Zayd (01-18-2017)

  19. #10
    Moderator
    Posts
    598
    Sex
    Location
    UK
    Ethnicity
    Bengali
    Y-DNA
    R1a-L657
    mtDNA
    M4b1

    Quote Originally Posted by deuterium_1 View Post
    Thanks for sharing your admixture MonkeyDLuffy, which admixture calculator is that from?. I am reluctant to consider a foreign mix because of what I have found out from my own genealogical research (which I conducted at the British library and also while as a student for one year at the University of Cambridge), I have read in the district British gazetteer for Saran district (which included Siwan district during the British Raj) that many Shaikhs in the district were descended from local converts.

    The earliest known ancestor on my mum's side was Sheikh Azeemullah Siddiqui (which according to my Egyptian friend sounds Afghan rather than Arab), family records claimed he lived in the 14th Century during the Tughluq dynasty, particularly the reign of Firuz Shah Tughluq. Considering that he lived 13 generations ago, he was more likely to have lived in the 16th Century which fits in with what you said about the Mughal era, I believe my mum's family converted during that era.

    Anand Yang argues that there was a migration of Rajputs which accompanied the gradual assertion of Muslim control in Bihar, I think this could possibly account for some of the DNA admixture results?




    Oh really? forgive my ignorance but I always thought that because of our shared culture, Bengalis in West Bengal and Bangladeshis had similarities even when it came to DNA.

    Which other calculators would you recommend?.
    Oh I would say that generally speaking, Bengalis from both sides of the border have far more in common autosomally than difference.

    The biggest reported difference within Bengalis appears to be between Brahmins and non Brahmins (including Hindus and Muslims).

    Whilst I haven't actually seen clear West Bengali results, especially Muslim ones, I would instinctively say that Bengalis further east ie most of Eastern Bangladesh, would have a clinal increase in East Asian whilst those Western most the least.

    That's why I think your Dad having possibly 6pc East Asian wouldnt be out of keeping for a West Bengali. All presumptions mind you.

    Interestingly, this seems to be borne out by the anonymous BEB samples from Dhaka which appear to have higher South Indian and less East Asian compared to the 15 odd samples I've seen from Sylhet in NE Bangladesh, which has a lot of tribal groups in the neighbouring regions.

    On a separate note, Firuz Shah Tughluk's reign appears to have been associated with conquering much of Bihar and Bengal as well as the spread of Islam via sufi in those areas. Sylhet has similar stories of upto 360 sufis entering the region in Firuz Tughluk's time.

    Even if the family tree goes back only 13 generations, I suspect there are probably gaps, and that those sufi persons are more likely to be associated with pre mughal turko-afghan dynasties. Your family history may of course suggest otherwise, just my limited understanding of the reading. We have a similar family tree on mum's side going back to the same purported period of Firoz Shah with the Mughals only conquering Bengal in the early 1600s.

    Interesting nevertheless!

    PS puntdnal k10 modern is a good one too. Also try eurasia k9 asi
    Last edited by Reza; 01-17-2017 at 04:27 PM.

  20. The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Reza For This Useful Post:

     deuterium_1 (01-17-2017),  jortita (01-18-2017),  khanabadoshi (01-18-2017),  redifflal (02-08-2017),  Zayd (01-18-2017)

Page 1 of 29 12311 ... LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Bengali results
    By Reza in forum Autosomal (auDNA)
    Replies: 84
    Last Post: 02-06-2019, 02:29 PM
  2. C-M217 in Bengali
    By Reza in forum C
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 04-23-2018, 08:29 AM
  3. Bengali...?
    By Reza in forum Southern
    Replies: 83
    Last Post: 04-10-2017, 10:31 PM
  4. Replies: 31
    Last Post: 05-12-2015, 09:35 PM
  5. Hoping for a Y-DNA Match from a Family Finder Match
    By rms2 in forum Stevens/Stephens Surname Project
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 10-31-2014, 03:30 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •