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    Quote Originally Posted by chris000009 View Post
    For some reason I score high Iran_N or that calc I’ve forgotten the name xD

    Mine From G25

    "Iran_N": 38.33,
    "EEF": 31.67,
    "Yamnaya_Samara": 11.67,
    "Natufian": 6.67,
    "Nganassan": 5.83,
    "SHG": 3.33,
    "EHG": 2.5,
    Would make sense, the 'dom' are still high IranN, but probably not as much as non-SC NW S. Asians. Also, the ancestors of the Roma probably mixed with some locals in Iran or the vicinity, and picked up both Iranian neolithic and chalcolithic ancestry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris000009 View Post
    The thing I noticed on DNALand is that every S Asian scores both SA and Central Asian Ancestry no matter if it’s a Southern or Northern Indian. Me on the other hand, a Balkan/Ottoman Romani seem to score only S Asian. Does that mean the Indian ancestors of Roma left before the people of C Asia had an impact of the subcontinent? What populations do you think I derive from looking at my results? The ratio of Dravidian to Gujarati is pretty much 2:1.

    South Asian 35%
    Dravidian 24%
    Gujarati 11%
    Balkan 26%
    Central Indoeuropean 14%
    Sardinian 12%
    Arab/Egyptian 8.5%
    Ambiguous 2.1%
    Mediterranean Islander 1.4%
    Ambiguous 1.2%

    Thanks in advance
    Looking at DNALand results of deuterium_1 which he posted at start of thread, he has Dravidian 60% Gujarati 19% Indus Valley 4.9% and Indo-Iranian 3.5%

    When your ancestors left S Asia region, if (for example) they had similar high levels (or higher) of Dravidian and Gujarati, and similar levels (or lower) of Indus Valley and Indo-Iranian, then by now the low level components might have become too low to be traceable or could be in Ambiguous? The higher level components would become reduced but still be at a high level as you have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulin View Post
    Would make sense, the 'dom' are still high IranN, but probably not as much as non-SC NW S. Asians. Also, the ancestors of the Roma probably mixed with some locals in Iran or the vicinity, and picked up both Iranian neolithic and chalcolithic ancestry.
    Itís a shame that there are no Dom or Dombari samples to compare. I am not sure if we actually derive from this group but for a starter conservative groups who speak Indo-Aryan language and practice endogamy like the Romani are also called Dom in the Middle East. The Armenian ones are called Lom/Bosha and the ones that settled in the Eastern Roman Empire were called Rom/Rum which in Byzantine Greek meant ďRomanĒ. Therefore, the Romani ethnicity was formed in the Byzantine Empire as many historians conclude. I personally got surprised of how much Byzantine influence there is in Anatolian & Southern Balkan Romani culture and music, not to mention that Greek has most influence on the Romani language, plus fewer of Turkish, Persian, Armenian and of course the core - Punjabi and Rajasthani.

    https://youtu.be/oxk9QYw23DY

    Are these real Dombari or just actors? xD
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    fit: 2.4426,

    Greek_Crete: 51.67
    Gujarati: 38.33
    Iranian_Persian: 7.5
    Lithuanian: 2.5


    Ancient:

     
    fit": 1.7643

    DRAVIDIAN_Saidu_Sharif_IA_o: 32.5
    GRECO-ROMAN_Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1: 17.5
    ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN_Balkans_IA: 15
    SLAVIC_Avar_Hungary_Szolad: 11.67
    LEVANTINE_Levant_LBN_MA_NE: 10.83
    ANATOLIAN_Anatolia_IA: 7.5
    ARIAN_PAK_Swat_Butkara_IA: 5

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris000009 View Post
    It’s a shame that there are no Dom or Dombari samples to compare. I am not sure if we actually derive from this group but for a starter conservative groups who speak Indo-Aryan language and practice endogamy like the Romani are also called Dom in the Middle East. The Armenian ones are called Lom/Bosha and the ones that settled in the Eastern Roman Empire were called Rom/Rum which in Byzantine Greek meant “Roman”. Therefore, the Romani ethnicity was formed in the Byzantine Empire as many historians conclude. I personally got surprised of how much Byzantine influence there is in Anatolian & Southern Balkan Romani culture and music, not to mention that Greek has most influence on the Romani language, plus fewer of Turkish, Persian, Armenian and of course the core - Punjabi and Rajasthani.

    https://youtu.be/oxk9QYw23DY

    Are these real Dombari or just actors? xD
    Lol, that's just a randomly titled video song.

    These are the Doms


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    Quote Originally Posted by laltota View Post
    Looking at DNALand results of deuterium_1 which he posted at start of thread, he has Dravidian 60% Gujarati 19% Indus Valley 4.9% and Indo-Iranian 3.5%

    When your ancestors left S Asia region, if (for example) they had similar high levels (or higher) of Dravidian and Gujarati, and similar levels (or lower) of Indus Valley and Indo-Iranian, then by now the low level components might have become too low to be traceable or could be in Ambiguous? The higher level components would become reduced but still be at a high level as you have.
    Yeah that makes sense. Most Roma score mostly Dravidian on there btw. Do you know what does the Gujarati category mean on there - specifically Gujarati or perhaps with neighbouring populations?

    That’s a distant cousin of mine from Bosnia

    South European 45%
    Balkan 37%
    South Central European 7.7%

    South Asian 29%
    Dravidian 28%
    Gujarati 1.9%

    Central Indo-European 11%

    Ashkenazi 5.3%

    Central Asian 4.5%
    Indo-Iranian 3%
    Indus Valley 1.5%

    Finish 2.4%

    She scores more European than me but on the other hand she had more Dravidian and trace amounts of Central Asian that I miss. xD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulin View Post
    Lol, that's just a randomly titled video song.

    These are the Doms

    The guy who speaks on the video resembles more Australia aboriginal in my opinion. xD I think Rajasthani average people would work better as a proxy for ancestral Indian of Romani.

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    Last edited by chris000009; 07-12-2019 at 01:00 AM.
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    Greek_Crete: 51.67
    Gujarati: 38.33
    Iranian_Persian: 7.5
    Lithuanian: 2.5


    Ancient:

     
    fit": 1.7643

    DRAVIDIAN_Saidu_Sharif_IA_o: 32.5
    GRECO-ROMAN_Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1: 17.5
    ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN_Balkans_IA: 15
    SLAVIC_Avar_Hungary_Szolad: 11.67
    LEVANTINE_Levant_LBN_MA_NE: 10.83
    ANATOLIAN_Anatolia_IA: 7.5
    ARIAN_PAK_Swat_Butkara_IA: 5

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris000009 View Post
    The thing I noticed on DNALand is that every S Asian scores both SA and Central Asian Ancestry no matter if itís a Southern or Northern Indian. Me on the other hand, a Balkan/Ottoman Romani seem to score only S Asian. Does that mean the Indian ancestors of Roma left before the people of C Asia had an impact of the subcontinent? What populations do you think I derive from looking at my results? The ratio of Dravidian to Gujarati is pretty much 2:1.

    South Asian 35%
    Dravidian 24%
    Gujarati 11%
    Balkan 26%
    Central Indoeuropean 14%
    Sardinian 12%
    Arab/Egyptian 8.5%
    Ambiguous 2.1%
    Mediterranean Islander 1.4%
    Ambiguous 1.2%

    Thanks in advance
    You vs a NW South Asian (me). DNA land isn't great.

    Central Asian 57%
    Indus Valley 54%
    Indo-Iranian 2.3%
    Kalash 1.2%
    South Asian 26%
    Gujarati 25%
    Dravidian 1.1%
    Mediterranean Islander 14%
    Northwest European 1.2%

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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    You vs a NW South Asian (me). DNA land isn't great.

    Central Asian 57%
    Indus Valley 54%
    Indo-Iranian 2.3%
    Kalash 1.2%
    South Asian 26%
    Gujarati 25%
    Dravidian 1.1%
    Mediterranean Islander 14%
    Northwest European 1.2%
    Well it’s not great but better than many reputed companies that provide only broad assignments especially for SA
    33% Greek_Thessaloniki + 33% IraqiJew + 33% Punjabi @ 4.835

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    Greek_Crete: 51.67
    Gujarati: 38.33
    Iranian_Persian: 7.5
    Lithuanian: 2.5


    Ancient:

     
    fit": 1.7643

    DRAVIDIAN_Saidu_Sharif_IA_o: 32.5
    GRECO-ROMAN_Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1: 17.5
    ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN_Balkans_IA: 15
    SLAVIC_Avar_Hungary_Szolad: 11.67
    LEVANTINE_Levant_LBN_MA_NE: 10.83
    ANATOLIAN_Anatolia_IA: 7.5
    ARIAN_PAK_Swat_Butkara_IA: 5

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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    I knew an persian expat from work. They were expelled at the time of the Shah and were pretty high up/ important. He claimed Syed and had complete lineages written down. That is the only person I actually believe. And he said the same it is a big deal.
    There is a historical record of Arabs settling in the Iranian plateau forming colonies of sorts. Some settled in Iran in Pre-Islamic Iran during the reign of Shapur II while others settled in regions such as Khorasan after the Arab Conquests as that was a restive frontier region with Central Asia. The Turks of Central Asia put up considerable resistance to the Arab invasions which makes this unsurprising.

    Syeds' surnames often indicate which Syed lineage they come from such as Rezavi,Tabatabai, Mousavi etc


    Hard to know about your aunt without genetic testing. There are a lot of Mughal claiming muslmans in Old Delhi. Anecdotally, they look pretty much like Uttar Pradesh natives.
    Can't disagree there lol

    Quote Originally Posted by chris000009 View Post
    The thing I noticed on DNALand is that every S Asian scores both SA and Central Asian Ancestry no matter if it’s a Southern or Northern Indian. Me on the other hand, a Balkan/Ottoman Romani seem to score only S Asian. Does that mean the Indian ancestors of Roma left before the people of C Asia had an impact of the subcontinent? What populations do you think I derive from looking at my results? The ratio of Dravidian to Gujarati is pretty much 2:1.

    South Asian 35%
    Dravidian 24%
    Gujarati 11%
    Balkan 26%
    Central Indoeuropean 14%
    Sardinian 12%
    Arab/Egyptian 8.5%
    Ambiguous 2.1%
    Mediterranean Islander 1.4%
    Ambiguous 1.2%

    Thanks in advance

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris000009 View Post
    The thing I noticed on DNALand is that every S Asian scores both SA and Central Asian Ancestry no matter if itís a Southern or Northern Indian. Me on the other hand, a Balkan/Ottoman Romani seem to score only S Asian. Does that mean the Indian ancestors of Roma left before the people of C Asia had an impact of the subcontinent? What populations do you think I derive from looking at my results? The ratio of Dravidian to Gujarati is pretty much 2:1.

    South Asian 35%
    Dravidian 24%
    Gujarati 11%
    Balkan 26%
    Central Indoeuropean 14%
    Sardinian 12%
    Arab/Egyptian 8.5%
    Ambiguous 2.1%
    Mediterranean Islander 1.4%
    Ambiguous 1.2%

    Thanks in advance
    DNA.LAND has this for me :

    Central Asian 88% - Indus Valley 72% Indo-Iranian 16%
    Gujarati 6.5%
    North West European 5.1%

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