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    Quote Originally Posted by Reza View Post
    Oh I would say that generally speaking, Bengalis from both sides of the border have far more in common autosomally than difference.

    The biggest reported difference within Bengalis appears to be between Brahmins and non Brahmins (including Hindus and Muslims).

    Whilst I haven't actually seen clear West Bengali results, especially Muslim ones, I would instinctively say that Bengalis further east ie most of Eastern Bangladesh, would have a clinal increase in East Asian whilst those Western most the least.

    That's why I think your Dad having possibly 6pc East Asian wouldnt be out of keeping for a West Bengali. All presumptions mind you.

    Interestingly, this seems to be borne out by the anonymous BEB samples from Dhaka which appear to have higher South Indian and less East Asian compared to the 15 odd samples I've seen from Sylhet in NE Bangladesh, which has a lot of tribal groups in the neighbouring regions.

    On a separate note, Firuz Shah Tughluk's reign appears to have been associated with conquering much of Bihar and Bengal as well as the spread of Islam via sufi in those areas. Sylhet has similar stories of upto 360 sufis entering the region in Firuz Tughluk's time.

    Even if the family tree goes back only 13 generations, I suspect there are probably gaps, and that those sufi persons are more likely to be associated with pre mughal turko-afghan dynasties. Your family history may of course suggest otherwise, just my limited understanding of the reading. We have a similar family tree on mum's side going back to the same purported period of Firoz Shah with the Mughals only conquering Bengal in the early 1600s.

    Interesting nevertheless!

    PS puntdnal k10 modern is a good one too. Also try eurasia k9 asi
    One of my uncles in Calcutta has married someone from Rajshahi so it would be interesting to see the genetic admixture of his sons.

    My dad and my grandfather have slightly East Asian features (if that makes sense) and I feel that genetics confirm it, people have commented on my eyes looking a bit East Asian since I was at school.

    Are Sylhetis distinct genetically?

    Well that narrative of Sufi conversion may fit in with my family history? but surely the Sufis did not leave a genetic impact in the local population?. Interestingly my maternal ancestor reputedly visited Makhdum Asad-u’d-din Chiragh-i-Hind in Zafarabad, Jaunpur district, Uttar Pradesh, then when he reached Harihans he defeated the local Chero tribal chieftains Hari and Hans Singh and assumed control of the village.

    Ok here is puntDNAL K10 and Eurasia K9 ASI:

    puntDNAL K10 Ancient Oracle

    Kit A579692

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 ASI 52.53
    2 CHG 26.44
    3 E_Asian 9.01
    4 ENF 5.3
    5 WHG 2.59
    6 Beringian 1.29
    7 Sub-Saharan 1.13
    8 Oceanian 0.95
    9 Amerindian 0.62
    10 Siberian 0.13

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Punjabi 11.04
    2 UP_Brahmin 12.14
    3 Velama 15.09
    4 Tamil_Nadu 15.48
    5 Sindhi 19.26
    6 Pathan 20.81
    7 Burusho 20.92
    8 Piramalai_Kallars 21.34
    9 Kalash 28.68
    10 Brahui 33.55
    11 Pashtun 33.57
    12 Makrani 36.21
    13 Balochi 36.4
    14 Pulliyar 42.14
    15 Hazara 46.46
    16 Uzbek 47.75
    17 Iranian 50.11
    18 Chechen 52.29
    19 Nogai 52.45
    20 Kurdish 53.49

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 78% Tamil_Nadu + 22% Nogai @ 4.76
    2 79.5% Tamil_Nadu + 20.5% North_Ossetian @ 5.81
    3 79.7% Tamil_Nadu + 20.3% Turkish_Aydin @ 5.94
    4 69.9% Tamil_Nadu + 30.1% Pashtun @ 6.08
    5 78.6% Tamil_Nadu + 21.4% Chechen @ 6.3
    6 80.1% Tamil_Nadu + 19.9% Kumyk @ 6.38
    7 73.3% Piramalai_Kallars + 26.7% North_Ossetian @ 6.51
    8 87% Punjabi + 13% Syrian @ 6.56
    9 87.8% Punjabi + 12.2% Jordanian @ 6.59
    10 77.2% Tamil_Nadu + 22.8% Uzbek @ 6.59
    11 87.9% Punjabi + 12.1% Saudi @ 6.6
    12 86.3% Punjabi + 13.7% Turkish_Aydin @ 6.61
    13 87.9% Punjabi + 12.1% Iraqi_Jew @ 6.63
    14 86.2% Punjabi + 13.8% Turkish_Kayseri @ 6.64
    15 87.8% Punjabi + 12.2% Palestinian @ 6.64
    16 79.7% Tamil_Nadu + 20.3% Turkish_Kayseri @ 6.65
    17 87.8% Punjabi + 12.2% Yemeni @ 6.67
    18 79.7% Tamil_Nadu + 20.3% Lezgin @ 6.7
    19 84% Punjabi + 16% Hazara @ 6.7
    20 87.8% Punjabi + 12.2% Lebanese @ 6.7


    Eurasia K9 ASI Oracle

    Kit A579692

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 50.15
    2 Ancestral_South_Indian 19.04
    3 SE_Asian 12.7
    4 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 6.16
    5 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 3.7
    6 Siberian_E_Asian 3.58
    7 WHG 2.65
    8 SW_Asian 1.11
    9 W_African 0.89

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Burusho 9.03
    2 Punjabi 10.54
    3 Bengali 12.23
    4 Pathan 13.07
    5 Pashtun_Afghan 17.09
    6 Kurd_SE 17.4
    7 Kalash 17.84
    8 Tajik_Afghan 19.52
    9 Balochi 20.23
    10 Brahui 20.54
    11 Uzbek_Afghan 21.82
    12 Makrani 22.46
    13 Tajik_Pomiri 24.14
    14 Hazara_Afghan 26.25
    15 Paniyas 28.18
    16 Puliyar 30.61
    17 KOTIAS 31.42
    18 Iranian 32.69
    19 Turkmen 32.75
    20 Azeri_Dagestan 33.14

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 77.7% Burusho + 22.3% Puliyar @ 2.14
    2 76.5% Burusho + 23.5% Paniyas @ 2.63
    3 59.8% Bengali + 40.2% Kalash @ 3.35
    4 77.5% Punjabi + 22.5% Ho @ 3.41
    5 78.2% Punjabi + 21.8% Kharia @ 3.59
    6 62.2% Kurd_SE + 37.8% Paniyas @ 3.85
    7 80.7% Punjabi + 19.3% Papuan @ 3.9
    8 66.4% Kalash + 33.6% Ho @ 3.94
    9 51.9% Bengali + 48.1% Pathan @ 4.06
    10 67.1% Kalash + 32.9% Kharia @ 4.12
    11 54.3% Punjabi + 45.7% Bengali @ 4.24
    12 88.8% Burusho + 11.2% Great_Andamanese @ 4.27
    13 74.8% Punjabi + 25.2% Paniyas @ 4.85
    14 69.6% Pathan + 30.4% Paniyas @ 4.92
    15 73.9% Pathan + 26.1% Ho @ 4.98
    16 59.5% Bengali + 40.5% Pashtun_Afghan @ 5.09
    17 60% Burusho + 40% Bengali @ 5.18
    18 74.7% Pathan + 25.3% Kharia @ 5.29
    19 64.6% Kurd_SE + 35.4% Puliyar @ 5.36
    20 85.2% Burusho + 14.8% Papuan @ 5.59

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    Quote Originally Posted by deuterium_1 View Post
    One of my uncles in Calcutta has married someone from Rajshahi so it would be interesting to see the genetic admixture of his sons.

    My dad and my grandfather have slightly East Asian features (if that makes sense) and I feel that genetics confirm it, people have commented on my eyes looking a bit East Asian since I was at school.

    Are Sylhetis distinct genetically?

    Well that narrative of Sufi conversion may fit in with my family history? but surely the Sufis did not leave a genetic impact in the local population?. Interestingly my maternal ancestor reputedly visited Makhdum Asad-u’d-din Chiragh-i-Hind in Zafarabad, Jaunpur district, Uttar Pradesh, then when he reached Harihans he defeated the local Chero tribal chieftains Hari and Hans Singh and assumed control of the village.

    Ok here is puntDNAL K10 and Eurasia K9 ASI:

    puntDNAL K10 Ancient Oracle

    Kit A579692

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 ASI 52.53
    2 CHG 26.44
    3 E_Asian 9.01
    4 ENF 5.3
    5 WHG 2.59
    6 Beringian 1.29
    7 Sub-Saharan 1.13
    8 Oceanian 0.95
    9 Amerindian 0.62
    10 Siberian 0.13

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Punjabi 11.04
    2 UP_Brahmin 12.14
    3 Velama 15.09
    4 Tamil_Nadu 15.48
    5 Sindhi 19.26
    6 Pathan 20.81
    7 Burusho 20.92
    8 Piramalai_Kallars 21.34
    9 Kalash 28.68
    10 Brahui 33.55
    11 Pashtun 33.57
    12 Makrani 36.21
    13 Balochi 36.4
    14 Pulliyar 42.14
    15 Hazara 46.46
    16 Uzbek 47.75
    17 Iranian 50.11
    18 Chechen 52.29
    19 Nogai 52.45
    20 Kurdish 53.49

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 78% Tamil_Nadu + 22% Nogai @ 4.76
    2 79.5% Tamil_Nadu + 20.5% North_Ossetian @ 5.81
    3 79.7% Tamil_Nadu + 20.3% Turkish_Aydin @ 5.94
    4 69.9% Tamil_Nadu + 30.1% Pashtun @ 6.08
    5 78.6% Tamil_Nadu + 21.4% Chechen @ 6.3
    6 80.1% Tamil_Nadu + 19.9% Kumyk @ 6.38
    7 73.3% Piramalai_Kallars + 26.7% North_Ossetian @ 6.51
    8 87% Punjabi + 13% Syrian @ 6.56
    9 87.8% Punjabi + 12.2% Jordanian @ 6.59
    10 77.2% Tamil_Nadu + 22.8% Uzbek @ 6.59
    11 87.9% Punjabi + 12.1% Saudi @ 6.6
    12 86.3% Punjabi + 13.7% Turkish_Aydin @ 6.61
    13 87.9% Punjabi + 12.1% Iraqi_Jew @ 6.63
    14 86.2% Punjabi + 13.8% Turkish_Kayseri @ 6.64
    15 87.8% Punjabi + 12.2% Palestinian @ 6.64
    16 79.7% Tamil_Nadu + 20.3% Turkish_Kayseri @ 6.65
    17 87.8% Punjabi + 12.2% Yemeni @ 6.67
    18 79.7% Tamil_Nadu + 20.3% Lezgin @ 6.7
    19 84% Punjabi + 16% Hazara @ 6.7
    20 87.8% Punjabi + 12.2% Lebanese @ 6.7


    Eurasia K9 ASI Oracle

    Kit A579692

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 50.15
    2 Ancestral_South_Indian 19.04
    3 SE_Asian 12.7
    4 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 6.16
    5 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 3.7
    6 Siberian_E_Asian 3.58
    7 WHG 2.65
    8 SW_Asian 1.11
    9 W_African 0.89

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Burusho 9.03
    2 Punjabi 10.54
    3 Bengali 12.23
    4 Pathan 13.07
    5 Pashtun_Afghan 17.09
    6 Kurd_SE 17.4
    7 Kalash 17.84
    8 Tajik_Afghan 19.52
    9 Balochi 20.23
    10 Brahui 20.54
    11 Uzbek_Afghan 21.82
    12 Makrani 22.46
    13 Tajik_Pomiri 24.14
    14 Hazara_Afghan 26.25
    15 Paniyas 28.18
    16 Puliyar 30.61
    17 KOTIAS 31.42
    18 Iranian 32.69
    19 Turkmen 32.75
    20 Azeri_Dagestan 33.14

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 77.7% Burusho + 22.3% Puliyar @ 2.14
    2 76.5% Burusho + 23.5% Paniyas @ 2.63
    3 59.8% Bengali + 40.2% Kalash @ 3.35
    4 77.5% Punjabi + 22.5% Ho @ 3.41
    5 78.2% Punjabi + 21.8% Kharia @ 3.59
    6 62.2% Kurd_SE + 37.8% Paniyas @ 3.85
    7 80.7% Punjabi + 19.3% Papuan @ 3.9
    8 66.4% Kalash + 33.6% Ho @ 3.94
    9 51.9% Bengali + 48.1% Pathan @ 4.06
    10 67.1% Kalash + 32.9% Kharia @ 4.12
    11 54.3% Punjabi + 45.7% Bengali @ 4.24
    12 88.8% Burusho + 11.2% Great_Andamanese @ 4.27
    13 74.8% Punjabi + 25.2% Paniyas @ 4.85
    14 69.6% Pathan + 30.4% Paniyas @ 4.92
    15 73.9% Pathan + 26.1% Ho @ 4.98
    16 59.5% Bengali + 40.5% Pashtun_Afghan @ 5.09
    17 60% Burusho + 40% Bengali @ 5.18
    18 74.7% Pathan + 25.3% Kharia @ 5.29
    19 64.6% Kurd_SE + 35.4% Puliyar @ 5.36
    20 85.2% Burusho + 14.8% Papuan @ 5.59
    Deuterium, phenotype can be shaped by even minor admixture, my daughter is half of me, Assamese of mixed heritage and half Tamil Iyer, but looks totally Southeast Asian, whereas I look more Tibeto Burmese with higher nose than her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jortita View Post
    Deuterium, phenotype can be shaped by even minor admixture, my daughter is half of me, Assamese of mixed heritage and half Tamil Iyer, but looks totally Southeast Asian, whereas I look more Tibeto Burmese with higher nose than her.
    If I recall the Assamese do share some similarities with Bengalis especially in terms of language and script.

    I would expect even higher percentages of East Asian DNA in places further north-east such as Meghalaya and Tripura etc.

    Considering that my admixture results shows some correlation with UP and Kshatriyas, would it be possible to speculate that at least on my maternal side these are the groups which they converted from?.

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    I am curious to see your wegene results

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    Quote Originally Posted by jortita View Post
    I am curious to see your wegene results
    My WeGene results

    Chinese 4.45%

    Southern Han Chinese3.72%
    Naxi/Yi0.72%
    Mongolian0.00%
    Uygur0.00%
    Dai0.00%
    Tungusic0.00%
    She0.00%
    Gaoshan0.00%
    Northern Han Chinese0.00%
    Tibetan0.00%
    Hmong-Mien0.00%
    Lahu0.00%

    Northeast Asian 0.00%
    Yakut0.00%
    Korean0.00%
    Japanese0.00%

    Southeast Asian 5.09%
    Thai2.32%
    kinh1.69%
    Cambodian1.07%

    South Asian 87.27%
    Sindhi68.59%
    Bengali15.61%
    Indian3.06%

    Central Asian 0.00%
    Uzbek0.00%
    Kyrgyz0.00%

    Middle Eastern 0.00%
    Iranian0.00%
    Saudi0.00%
    Egyptian0.00%
    European 0.00%
    Finnish/Russian0.00%
    Sardinian0.00%
    Hungarian0.00%
    Balkan0.00%
    English0.00%
    Spanish0.00%
    French0.00%
    Ashkenazi0.00%

    African 0.43%
    Yoruba0.42%
    BantuSA0.00%
    Mbuti0.00%
    Somali0.00%

    American 0.50%
    Mayan0.50%
    Inuit0.00%
    Native American0.00%

    Oceanian 2.21%
    Papuan2.21%

    WeGene seems to show me as Indian with some East Asian and South-East ancestry so closer to my initial Ancestry DNA results.

    wegene.jpg

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    Your ydna o2a2 is an east asian haplogroup, interesting. You seem to score higher southern Chinese and thai and kinh

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    Your ydna o2a2 is an east asian haplogroup, interesting. You seem to score higher southern Chinese and thai and kinh, your fathers east asian ancestry seems to be closer to whom of assamese, as the groups you score including Cambodian are the ones I also score substantially which is not the case for reza and family. Your father might have tai ahom ancestry and your y dna might also be ahom as it o2a2 as opposed to o2a1 with the latter being more common to mundaic and other austro asiatic people. However they only test 100,000 out of 600,000 +snps tested by ancestrydna

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    Quote Originally Posted by jortita View Post
    Your ydna o2a2 is an east asian haplogroup, interesting. You seem to score higher southern Chinese and thai and kinh, your fathers east asian ancestry seems to be closer to whom of assamese, as the groups you score including Cambodian are the ones I also score substantially which is not the case for reza and family. Your father might have tai ahom ancestry and your y dna might also be ahom as it o2a2 as opposed to o2a1 with the latter being more common to mundaic and other austro asiatic people. However they only test 100,000 out of 600,000 +snps tested by ancestrydna
    Assamese and Bengalis do have some cultural affinities so it could be genetic too?

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    Great to see a new user!

    If you have learned how to run a DIY Calculator on R, I hope you would try the MDLP K11/K16 calculators, as they are the newest ones we have. I will be making a PCA of the results some point this week.
    If you can spare 12 or 16 dollars, you could also try Davidski's Global 10 PCA.

    Here are directions on how to run DIY calcs: http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...le-data-sheets
    MDLPK16 calculator: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6n...ew?usp=sharing
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    Quote Originally Posted by khanabadoshi View Post
    Great to see a new user!

    If you have learned how to run a DIY Calculator on R, I hope you would try the MDLP K11/K16 calculators, as they are the newest ones we have. I will be making a PCA of the results some point this week.
    If you can spare 12 or 16 dollars, you could also try Davidski's Global 10 PCA.

    Here are directions on how to run DIY calcs: http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...le-data-sheets
    MDLPK16 calculator: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6n...ew?usp=sharing
    MDLPK11 calculator: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6n...ew?usp=sharing

    If you feel it's too cumbersome, I can do it for you. Just shoot me a PM.
    Many thanks unfortunately I am still new to this and I am unable to get it to work.

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