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    Err... never

    Err nevermind.

    I guess I should have used my sometimes thick skull. The kit, FTDNA, likely hadn't loaded properly given as the new one works a lot better than saying I am related to Egyptians, Berbers, etc. Still was rather interesting.
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    That's odd. What are your FTDNA results? I'd naturally trust 23 and Me more and assume the weird populations are noise/false.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cvolt View Post
    That's odd. What are your FTDNA results? I'd naturally trust 23 and Me more and assume the weird populations are noise/false.
    I've given both.


    23&me

    British & Irish - 79.2%
    French & German - 3.5%
    Scandinavian - 0.3%
    Broad NW - 11.7%
    South E. - 1.6%
    Iberian - 1.4%
    Finn - 1.2%
    Ashkenazi 0.4%
    Broad European 0.5%
    North African 0.1%


    FTDNA

    British Isles - 77%
    Scandinavia - 12%
    Southern European - 9%

    Middle Eastern
    Eastern Middle Eastern - 2%

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    I don't see why your FTDNA gedmatch results would show such odd oracle results considering both of your tests seem quite normal for your known background. I suppose it's possible to have odd populations pop up in your ancestry but it seems a lot more exaggerated than I'd expect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cvolt View Post
    I don't see why your FTDNA gedmatch results would show such odd oracle results considering both of your tests seem quite normal for your known background. I suppose it's possible to have odd populations pop up in your ancestry but it seems a lot more exaggerated than I'd expect.
    You're telling me.

    I thought I was seeing things when I noticed Eurogenes K15. But then going through others it appeared more and more.

    I am going to leave it up just for thoughts but there's a possibility the kit may be loaded wrong to gedmatch. The diagnose tool doesn't indicate problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calas View Post
    You're telling me.

    I thought I was seeing things when I noticed Eurogenes K15. But then going through others it appeared more and more.

    I am going to leave it up just for thoughts but there's a possibility the kit may be loaded wrong to gedmatch. The diagnose tool doesn't indicate problems.
    Not likely. Lots of people have the same affliction as you, so maybe there is something to it.

    Jack

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    Quote Originally Posted by C J Wyatt III View Post
    Not likely. Lots of people have the same affliction as you, so maybe there is something to it.

    Jack
    Affliction?

    I removed the majority but I'll leave this up for reference sake.

    # Population Percent
    1 North_Sea 27.97
    2 Atlantic 24.92
    3 West_Med 10.40
    4 Baltic 9.74
    5 East_Med 6.77
    6 Eastern_Euro 5.26
    7 Sub-Saharan 3.88
    8 West_Asian 2.74
    9 Southeast_Asian 2.50
    10 Northeast_African 1.80
    11 Amerindian 1.45
    12 South_Asian 1.43
    13 Oceanian 1.03

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 South_Dutch @ 7.831734
    2 French @ 8.294258
    3 West_German @ 9.241877
    4 Southwest_English @ 11.375921
    5 North_German @ 11.711927
    6 Southeast_English @ 11.783974
    7 Irish @ 13.528490
    8 Danish @ 13.529539
    9 North_Dutch @ 13.759649
    10 East_German @ 13.986608
    11 West_Scottish @ 14.278470
    12 Spanish_Galicia @ 14.350487
    13 Spanish_Cataluna @ 14.485088
    14 Portuguese @ 15.164329
    15 Orcadian @ 15.214214
    16 Austrian @ 15.406495
    17 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 15.526990
    18 Norwegian @ 16.400694
    19 Hungarian @ 16.502739
    20 Spanish_Murcia @ 16.707157

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Spanish_Murcia +50% Irish @ 5.092671

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Irish +25% West_Scottish +25% Tunisian @ 5.687360

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Irish + Irish + West_Scottish + Tunisian @ 5.687360
    2 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Tunisian @ 5.687676
    3 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + Tunisian @ 5.700098
    4 Irish + Irish + Swedish + Tunisian @ 5.719870
    5 Irish + Irish + West_Scottish + Tunisian @ 5.719962
    6 Irish + Mozabite_Berber + Orcadian + Tunisian @ 5.733697
    7 Irish + Irish + West_Scottish + Tunisian @ 5.736245
    8 Irish + Irish + Irish + Tunisian @ 5.739625
    9 Irish + Southeast_English + Swedish + Tunisian @ 5.740616
    10 Irish + Irish + Irish + Tunisian @ 5.742702
    11 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + Tunisian @ 5.749877
    12 Irish + Irish + Irish + Tunisian @ 5.752304
    13 Irish + Mozabite_Berber + Tunisian + West_Scottish @ 5.776254
    14 Algerian + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 5.776823
    15 Irish + Southeast_English + Tunisian + West_Norwegian @ 5.777740
    16 Irish + Irish + Mozabite_Berber + Swedish @ 5.778129
    17 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + Tunisian @ 5.779061
    18 Irish + Irish + West_Scottish + Tunisian @ 5.781189
    19 Irish + Irish + Swedish + Tunisian @ 5.781452
    20 Irish + North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Tunisian @ 5.784035



    Versus the 23&me kit

    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic 34.30
    2 North_Sea 33.45
    3 West_Med 9.25
    4 Eastern_Euro 7.91
    5 Baltic 7.39
    6 West_Asian 4.82
    7 East_Med 1.79
    8 Southeast_Asian 1.09

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Southeast_English @ 5.929035
    2 Southwest_English @ 6.647080
    3 Irish @ 6.769068
    4 West_Scottish @ 7.169946
    5 Orcadian @ 8.744016
    6 Danish @ 9.644057
    7 South_Dutch @ 9.658177
    8 North_German @ 10.014694
    9 North_Dutch @ 10.228362
    10 French @ 13.102540
    11 West_German @ 13.866445
    12 Norwegian @ 14.920676
    13 West_Norwegian @ 15.246689
    14 Swedish @ 16.473503
    15 East_German @ 18.783976
    16 North_Swedish @ 18.988117
    17 Spanish_Cataluna @ 19.401070
    18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 20.763067
    19 Spanish_Galicia @ 21.185505
    20 Spanish_Cantabria @ 21.427137

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Southeast_English +50% West_Scottish @ 5.929035

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% French_Basque +25% Irish +25% West_Scottish @ 4.095163

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 French_Basque + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.718355
    2 French_Basque + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.721640
    3 Danish + West_Scottish + Irish+ Orcadian @ 3.774484
    4 Danish + French_Basque + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.789561
    5 French_Basque + Irish + West_Scottish + Orcadian @ 3.829794
    6 French_Basque + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.876354
    7 French_Basque + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.932305
    8 French_Basque + Irish + West_Scottish + Orcadian @ 3.933484
    9 Danish + West_Scottish + Irish + Orcadian @ 3.945751
    10 French_Basque + West_Scottish + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 3.948176
    11 French_Basque + West_Scottish + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 3.979076
    12 French_Basque + Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 4.023670
    13 Danish + French_Basque + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.035104
    14 French_Basque + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 4.065264
    15 French_Basque + Irish + Orcadian + Southeast_English @ 4.082061
    16 Danish + Irish + West_Scottish + Orcadian @ 4.095163
    17 French_Basque + Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 4.101661
    18 French_Basque + West_Scottish + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 4.111936
    19 French_Basque + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.128650
    20 French_Basque + Irish + West_Scottish + Orcadian @ 4.141764

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calas View Post
    Affliction?
    Maybe, that was a bad choice of words. How about perceived anomalies?

    Jack

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calas View Post
    Affliction?

    I removed the majority but I'll leave this up for reference sake.

    # Population Percent
    1 North_Sea 27.97
    2 Atlantic 24.92
    3 West_Med 10.40
    4 Baltic 9.74
    5 East_Med 6.77
    6 Eastern_Euro 5.26
    7 Sub-Saharan 3.88
    8 West_Asian 2.74
    9 Southeast_Asian 2.50
    10 Northeast_African 1.80
    11 Amerindian 1.45
    12 South_Asian 1.43
    13 Oceanian 1.03

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 South_Dutch @ 7.831734
    2 French @ 8.294258
    3 West_German @ 9.241877
    4 Southwest_English @ 11.375921
    5 North_German @ 11.711927
    6 Southeast_English @ 11.783974
    7 Irish @ 13.528490
    8 Danish @ 13.529539
    9 North_Dutch @ 13.759649
    10 East_German @ 13.986608
    11 West_Scottish @ 14.278470
    12 Spanish_Galicia @ 14.350487
    13 Spanish_Cataluna @ 14.485088
    14 Portuguese @ 15.164329
    15 Orcadian @ 15.214214
    16 Austrian @ 15.406495
    17 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 15.526990
    18 Norwegian @ 16.400694
    19 Hungarian @ 16.502739
    20 Spanish_Murcia @ 16.707157

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Spanish_Murcia +50% Irish @ 5.092671

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Irish +25% West_Scottish +25% Tunisian @ 5.687360

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Irish + Irish + West_Scottish + Tunisian @ 5.687360
    2 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Tunisian @ 5.687676
    3 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + Tunisian @ 5.700098
    4 Irish + Irish + Swedish + Tunisian @ 5.719870
    5 Irish + Irish + West_Scottish + Tunisian @ 5.719962
    6 Irish + Mozabite_Berber + Orcadian + Tunisian @ 5.733697
    7 Irish + Irish + West_Scottish + Tunisian @ 5.736245
    8 Irish + Irish + Irish + Tunisian @ 5.739625
    9 Irish + Southeast_English + Swedish + Tunisian @ 5.740616
    10 Irish + Irish + Irish + Tunisian @ 5.742702
    11 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + Tunisian @ 5.749877
    12 Irish + Irish + Irish + Tunisian @ 5.752304
    13 Irish + Mozabite_Berber + Tunisian + West_Scottish @ 5.776254
    14 Algerian + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 5.776823
    15 Irish + Southeast_English + Tunisian + West_Norwegian @ 5.777740
    16 Irish + Irish + Mozabite_Berber + Swedish @ 5.778129
    17 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + Tunisian @ 5.779061
    18 Irish + Irish + West_Scottish + Tunisian @ 5.781189
    19 Irish + Irish + Swedish + Tunisian @ 5.781452
    20 Irish + North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Tunisian @ 5.784035



    Versus the 23&me kit

    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic 34.30
    2 North_Sea 33.45
    3 West_Med 9.25
    4 Eastern_Euro 7.91
    5 Baltic 7.39
    6 West_Asian 4.82
    7 East_Med 1.79
    8 Southeast_Asian 1.09

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Southeast_English @ 5.929035
    2 Southwest_English @ 6.647080
    3 Irish @ 6.769068
    4 West_Scottish @ 7.169946
    5 Orcadian @ 8.744016
    6 Danish @ 9.644057
    7 South_Dutch @ 9.658177
    8 North_German @ 10.014694
    9 North_Dutch @ 10.228362
    10 French @ 13.102540
    11 West_German @ 13.866445
    12 Norwegian @ 14.920676
    13 West_Norwegian @ 15.246689
    14 Swedish @ 16.473503
    15 East_German @ 18.783976
    16 North_Swedish @ 18.988117
    17 Spanish_Cataluna @ 19.401070
    18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 20.763067
    19 Spanish_Galicia @ 21.185505
    20 Spanish_Cantabria @ 21.427137

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Southeast_English +50% West_Scottish @ 5.929035

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% French_Basque +25% Irish +25% West_Scottish @ 4.095163

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 French_Basque + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.718355
    2 French_Basque + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.721640
    3 Danish + West_Scottish + Irish+ Orcadian @ 3.774484
    4 Danish + French_Basque + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.789561
    5 French_Basque + Irish + West_Scottish + Orcadian @ 3.829794
    6 French_Basque + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.876354
    7 French_Basque + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.932305
    8 French_Basque + Irish + West_Scottish + Orcadian @ 3.933484
    9 Danish + West_Scottish + Irish + Orcadian @ 3.945751
    10 French_Basque + West_Scottish + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 3.948176
    11 French_Basque + West_Scottish + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 3.979076
    12 French_Basque + Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 4.023670
    13 Danish + French_Basque + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.035104
    14 French_Basque + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 4.065264
    15 French_Basque + Irish + Orcadian + Southeast_English @ 4.082061
    16 Danish + Irish + West_Scottish + Orcadian @ 4.095163
    17 French_Basque + Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 4.101661
    18 French_Basque + West_Scottish + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 4.111936
    19 French_Basque + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.128650
    20 French_Basque + Irish + West_Scottish + Orcadian @ 4.141764
    That's because you score 4% SSA in FTDNA, not shure why, but North-Africans are usually in 15-20% SSA range so calc gives you that approximation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roaring View Post
    That's because you score 4% SSA in FTDNA, not shure why, but North-Africans are usually in 15-20% SSA range so calc gives you that approximation.
    Likely because I don't have any North African ancestry. Otherwise it'd show up in the 23&me oracles on gedmatch but doesn't.

    k15, same as the FTDNA mentioned, for the 23&me kit.

    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic 34.30
    2 North_Sea 33.45
    3 West_Med 9.25
    4 Eastern_Euro 7.91
    5 Baltic 7.39
    6 West_Asian 4.82
    7 East_Med 1.79
    8 Southeast_Asian 1.09
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