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    Which Tests Give you the Lowest and Highest Distance?

    Posts in the Jtest thread made me wonder about this. Check there for the background.

    Simple question:

    Which of the tests are closest and farthest to you with: (1) unmixed results, and (2) mixed results, regular oracle.

    For bonus points, post your actual mix to the extent you know.

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    Ais' comments in the Jtest thread made me wonder about the distance on the various tests for me and others. For myself, I've highlighted closest/farthest distance non mixed and mixed results (based on distance numbers not my actual ancestry), and then for information my actual ancestry (to the extent I know, there are possible surprises) is at the end.

    Jtest: Orkney=3.2; 74.3% IE+25.7% AT=1.1
    EUtest (almost the same): Orcadian=3.24; 73.7% IE+26.3% AT=1.01
    K13: North German=3.52; 60.5% North_German+39.5% West_German=1.66
    K15: North German=2.62; 61.4% Orcadian+38.6% Austrian=1.88

    MDLP K16: Dutch=3.24; 57% Dutch (Netherlands)+43% German (Germany)=1.81
    MDLP K23b: Frisian=1.92; 98.7% Frisian+1.3% Cachi=1.38
    MDLP World22: German_V (derived)=2.98; 97.4% German_V (derived)+2.6% Kalash (derived)=1.7
    MDLP World (this one is way off): Hungarian=3.11; 90.7% CEU_V+9.3% Lezgin=0.63
    [note, because I did not know, CEU=Northern Europeans from Utah, and Lezgin is Northeast Caucasian ethnic group native predominantly to southern Dagestan and northeastern Azerbaijan]

    Finally, Dodecad
    Dodecad V3: CEU=5.16; 83.3% Argyll+16.7% Romanians_14=1.4
    Dodecad K7b: German=3.27; 90.4% Orkney+9.6% Iranians=0.21
    Dodecad K12b: Mixed_Germanic=4.14; 74.5% Mixed_Germanic+25.5% Hungarians=1.01
    Dodecad World9: Dutch=2.91; 91.4% Orcadian+ 8.6% Kurds=0.49

    puntDNAL [which measures my Amerind high]
    puntDNAL K12 Modern: Dutch_South=2.63; 98.3% Dutch_South+1.7%Chukchi=1.95
    puntDNAL K10 Ancient: English_South=3.55; 97.2% English_South+2.8% Bolivian=2.2
    puntDNAL K13 Global: English=3.42; 96.4% Irish+3.6% Mawasi=2.1
    puntDNAL K15: Irish=2.02; 96.9% Irish+3.1% Colombian_B=1.1

    Gedrosia -- all super goofy for me

    For kicks:
    Dodecad Africa9: Tuscan=5.22; 91.6% North_Italian+8.4% Libya=0.94 [note: not even close]
    HarappaWorld: utahn-white (1000genomes)=4.19; 92.4% utahn-white+7.6% urkarah (xing)=0.97 [nope]
    EthioHelix+French: French=29.13; 68.4% French+31.6% Algeria=1.08 [nope]

    Actual mix:

    mom=25% Swedish, 25% German (SW); 25% English; 25% Irish/Scots
    dad= 62.5% English (mostly south and midlands), 25% Welsh; 12.5% mixed French, German, Dutch

    So me=12.5% Swedish, 12.5% German, about 43.75% English, about 12.5% Welsh, about 12.5% Irish/Scots, about 6.25% French/Dutch

    For what it's worth:

    My mom tends to have a slightly eastern tilt vs. what she is, her best match is Northern German
    My dad tends to have a slightly southern/Med tilt vs what he is, his best match is SW English

    My sister matches closer to my dad, I match closer to my mom, we are both in-between.

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    Okay, using my merged data...

    MDLP
    K16 Modern: Dutch (Netherlands) = 2.61; 57% French (France) + 43% Belarusian (Belarus) = 1.79
    K23b: North_German ( ) = 3.46; 84.7% Belgian ( ) + 15.3% Kuban_cossack ( ) = 1.98
    World-22: German_V (derived) = 4.11; 55.1% Swedish_V (derived) + 44.9% Macedonian (derived) = 1.98
    World: Hungarian = 2.11; 62.7% Sorb + 37.3% Romania = 1.34

    Eurogenes
    K13: North_German = 5.19; 74.8% Southeast_English + 25.2% Belorussian = 2.44
    EUtest V2 K15: North_German = 4.95; 72.5% Irish + 27.5% Ukrainian_Lviv = 3.44
    Jtest: West_&_Central_German = 5.6; 84.9% West_&_Central_German + 15.1% LIT = 3.66
    EUtest: West_&_Central_German = 5.3; 68% Cornish + 32% UA = 2.88

    Dodecad
    V3: German (Dodecad) = 4.79; 65.1% German (Dodecad) + 34.9% Slovenian (Xing) = 1.63
    Africa9: North_Italian = 7.31; 90.5% North_Italian + 9.5% Algeria = 1.45
    World9: Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) = 2.3; 69.9% Belorussian (Behar) + 30.1% Portuguese (Dodecad) = 1.2
    K7b: Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) = 2.61; 77.7% Polish (Dodecad) + 22.3% Canarias (1000Genomes) = 1.07
    K12b: German (Dodecad) = 2.68; 65.8%vFrench (Dodecad) + 34.2% Russian (Dodecad) = 1.95

    HarappaWorld: n-european (xing) = 3.03; 73.8% n-european (xing) + 26.2% hungarian (behar) = 1.54

    Ethiohelix
    K10 + French: french = 21.25; 71.7% french + 28.3% libya = 2.49
    K10 + Japanese: egypt = 15.23; 86% libya + 14% japanese = 2.84
    K10 + Palestinian: morocco-n = 7.09; 91.7% palestinian + 8.3% sandawe = 2.61
    K10 Africa Only: libya = 8.08; 69.6% algeria + 30.4% egypt = 1.36

    puntDNAL
    K10 Ancient: English_South = 2.51; 74.6% Ukrainian + 25.4% Spanish_Southwest = 1.51
    K12 Ancient: Halberstadt_LBA_I0099 = 4.93; 84.4% Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549 + 15.6% Remedello_BA_SG_RISE489 = 1.92
    K12 Modern: Utahn_European = 2.54; 95.2% English_South + 4.8% Mozabite_Berber = 1.45
    K13 Global: Utahn_European = 3.24: 97.7% Utahn_European + 2.3% Visayan = 2.58
    K15: Orcadian = 2.32; 98.1% Scottish + 1.9% Anuak = 1.41
    K8 African Only: Egyptian = 5.05; 99.7% Egyptian + 0.3% Ethiopian_AriBlacksmith = 5.04

    GedrosiaDNA
    K3: Georgian = 0.000000
    1 50% Armenian +50% Ukrainian @ 0.000000
    2 50% Bergamo +50% Kurd_N @ 0.000000
    3 50% Croatian +50% Georgian_Jew @ 0.000000
    4 50% Czech +50% Georgian_Jew @ 0.000000
    5 50% French_South +50% Kurd_N @ 0.000000
    6 50% Georgian +50% Georgian @ 0.000000
    7 50% Georgian_Jew +50% Norwegian @ 0.000000
    8 50% Loschbour +50% Spanish @ 0.000000

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    K12: Norwegian = 13; 70.5% Norwegian + 29.5% Sicilian = 2.54
    Ancient Eurasia K6: Scottish = 3.43; 83% Bulgarian + 17% Hungarian_KO1 = 1.36

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    How'd you do the mixed data? I just got 23andMe results.

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    MDLP
    K16 Modern: Sorb (Lusatia) = 3.58; 78.1% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 21.9% Sardinian (Sardinia) = 2.26
    K23b: Austrian ( ) = 5.14; 74.5% Balt ( ) + 25.5% Sardinian ( ) = 2.35
    World-22: Hungarian (derived) = 4.13; 91.6% German-North (derived) + 8.4% Bedouin (derived) = 1.57
    World: Croatian_V = 3.16; 92.8% German-North + 7.2% Bedouin = 1.25

    Eurogenes
    K13: East_German = 6.13; 55.2% Swedish + 44.8% Hungarian = 3.22
    EUtest V2 K15: East_German = 6.84; 63.6% North_Dutch + 36.4% Ukrainian_Lviv = 3.13
    Jtest: West_&_Central_German = 7.19; 77.9% West_&_Central_German + 22.1% LIT = 3.62
    EUtest: West_&_Central_German = 7.21; 77.3% West_&_Central_German + 22.7% LIT = 3.32

    Dodecad
    V3: German (Dodecad) = 6.05; 55.4% German (Dodecad) + 44.6% Slovenian (Xing) = 1.85
    Africa9: Tuscan = 7.94; 64.6% Morocco_Jews + 35.4% French_Basque = 3.08
    World9: Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) = 2.91; 97.1% German (Dodecad) + 2.9% MKK30 (Dodecad) = 1.12 (MKK is apparently Masaai)
    K7b: Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) = 3.17; 97.4% German (Dodecad) + 2.6% Sandawe (Henn) = 1.14
    K12b: German (Dodecad) = 3.55; 54.7% French (HGDP) + 45.3% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) = 2.49

    HarappaWorld: n-european (xing) = 4.73; 59.7% n-european (xing) + 40.3% slovenian (xing) = 2.13

    Ethiohelix
    K10 + French: french = 24.59; 67.2% french + 32.8% libya = 2.22
    K10 + Japanese: egypt = 14.44; 86.4% libya + 13.6% japanese = 1.78
    K10 + Palestinian: morocco-n = 6.73; 90.5% palestinian + 9.5% sandawe = 3.14
    K10 Africa Only: libya = 6.12; 54.7% morocco-n + 45.3% egypt = 0.76

    puntDNAL
    K10 Ancient: English_South = 3.38; 94.8% Czech + 5.2% Algerian = 1.4
    K12 Ancient: Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97 = 4.03; 75.9% Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97 + 24.1% Vatya_SG_RISE479 = 2.06
    K12 Modern: Hungarian = 3.69; 88.6% Norwegian + 11.4% Egyptian = 1.43
    K13 Global: German_North = 4.1; 93.1% Norwegian + 6.9% Amhara = 2.41
    K15: North_German = 2.84; 93.6% Swedish + 6.4% Egyptian = 2
    K8 African Only: Egyptian = 4.11; (2-pops has same result as single pop)

    GedrosiaDNA
    K3: Armenian = 0.000000
    1 50% Abkhasian +50% Cypriot @ 0.000000
    2 50% Armenian +50% Armenian @ 0.000000
    3 50% Ashkenazi_Jew +50% Ukrainian @ 0.000000
    4 50% Assyrian +50% Georgian @ 0.000000
    5 50% Bulgarian +50% Iranian_Jew @ 0.000000
    6 50% Cypriot +50% Estonian @ 0.000000
    7 50% Iraqi_Jew +50% Lithuanian @ 0.000000
    8 50% Iraqi_Jew +50% Ukrainian @ 0.000000

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    K12: Norwegian = 13.14; 65.8% Norwegian + 34.2% Greek = 3.79
    Ancient Eurasia K6: Scottish = 4.06; 54.5% Levant_BA + 45.5% SHG = 2.22

    Dad's known ancestry: 68.75% German (including Germans from Bohemia, Poland, Sachsen, Silesia, and Westfalen), 15.625% not traced past 19th century Canada (Ontario & Quebec), 6.25% not traced past 19th century Pennsylvania, 6.25% Bohemian, 3.125% Colonial American

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    Mom, also using AncestryDNA data...

    MDLP
    K16 Modern: Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) = 2.28; 53.4% Dutch (Netherlands) + 46.6% English (Kent) = 1.69
    K23b: Dutch ( ) = 3.25; 92.3% Belgian ( ) + 7.7% Roma_Macedonian ( ) = 1.39
    World-22: German_V (derived) = 3.82; 90.6% Swedish (derived) + 9.4% Parsi (derived) = 1.94
    World: Slovenian = 2.53; 90.6% German-North + 9.4% Roma = 1.2

    Eurogenes
    K13: North_German = 4.78; 80% Southeast_English + 20% Ukrainian_Lviv = 2.37
    EUtest V2 K15: North_German = 4.85; 73.9% Swedish + 26.1% Spanish_Valencia = 2.96
    Jtest: West_&_Central_German = 4.75; 52.3% AT + 47.7% DK = 3.73
    EUtest: West_&_Central_German = 4.79; 54% AT + 46% DK = 3.39

    Dodecad
    V3: German (Dodecad) = 3.42; 72.7% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 27.3% Hungarians (Behar) = 1.41
    Africa9: North_Italian = 5.62; 93.6% North_Italian + 6.4% Moroccans = 0.91
    World9: Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) = 1.95; 95.7% Cornwall (1000 Genomes) + 4.3% Bnei_Menashe_Jews = 0.97
    K7b: Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) = 2.68; 95% Kent (1000Genomes) + 5% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) = 0.18
    K12b: German (Dodecad) = 4.2; 52.3% British (Dodecad) + 47.7% Hungarians (Behar) = 1.97

    HarappaWorld: n-european (xing) = 2.39; 95.8% n-european (xing) + 4.2% romanian-b (behar) = 1.39

    Ethiohelix
    K10 + French: french = 26.91; 70.8% french + 29.2% algeria = 0.4
    K10 + Japanese: egypt = 15.52; 82% algeria + 18% japanese = 3.12
    K10 + Palestinian: morocco-n = 7.22; 65.6% palestinian + 34.4% libya = 1.99
    K10 Africa Only: algeria = 7.52; 75.1% algeria + 24.9% egypt = 1.48

    puntDNAL
    K10 Ancient: Irish = 1.8; 81.9% Icelandic + 18.1% Kurdish = 0.36
    K12 Ancient: Halberstadt_LBA_I0099 = 3.61; 80% Halberstadt_LBA_I0099 + 20% Hungary_BA_I1502 = 1.94
    K12 Modern: English_South = 2.75; 97.1% English_South + 2.9% Hakkipikki = 1.21
    K13 Global: Utahn_European = 3.63; 98.2% Irish + 1.8% Papuan = 2.84
    K15: English = 1.92; 98.9% English + 1.1% Papuan = 1.3
    K8 African Only: Egyptian = 5.75; 99.7% Egyptian + 0.3% Ethiopian_AriBlacksmith = 5.74

    GedrosiaDNA
    K3: Hungarian @ 0.415696
    1 50% Belarusian +50% English @ 0.000000
    2 50% Croatian +50% Hungarian @ 0.000000
    3 50% Croatian +50% Lithuanian @ 0.000000
    4 50% Croatian +50% Ukrainian @ 0.000000
    5 50% Czech +50% Hungarian @ 0.000000
    6 50% Czech +50% Lithuanian @ 0.000000
    7 50% Czech +50% Ukrainian @ 0.000000
    8 50% French +50% Ukrainian @ 0.000000
    9 50% Hungarian +50% Norwegian @ 0.000000
    10 50% Lithuanian +50% Norwegian @ 0.000000

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    K12: Norwegian = 14.76; 61.8% Norwegian + 38.2% Greek = 4.49
    Ancient Eurasia K6: English = 1.68; 92.7% French + 7.3% Steppe_Eneolithic = 0.71

    Mom's known ancestry: 43.75% Colonial American (British Isles, German, Dutch, Swiss, French), 25% Czech, 17.1875% not traced past 19th century US (MD, NJ, NY, PA, VA), 12.5% German from Westfalen, 1.5625% British & Irish (19th century)
    Ancestry paper trail tally: 21.1% Colonial American (British Isles, German, Dutch, Swiss, French), 14.1% not traced past 19th Century United States (MD, NJ, NY, PA, VA), 7.8% Canadian (Ontario & Quebec), 40.6% German, 15.6% Czech, 0.8% British & Irish

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    Quote Originally Posted by msmarjoribanks View Post
    How'd you do the mixed data? I just got 23andMe results.
    I combined my AncestryDNA raw data with my 23andMe v5 raw data using a tool that was recently posted in another thread in this forum:

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post450114
    Ancestry paper trail tally: 21.1% Colonial American (British Isles, German, Dutch, Swiss, French), 14.1% not traced past 19th Century United States (MD, NJ, NY, PA, VA), 7.8% Canadian (Ontario & Quebec), 40.6% German, 15.6% Czech, 0.8% British & Irish

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    Dodecad V3: 73%German (Dodecad) + 27% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.72
    Balkans_Dodecad + C_Italian_Dodecad + Swedish_Dodecad + N._European_Xing @ 1.446640

    Eurogenes K13: 50.9%Romanian + 49.1%Southwest_English @ 1.95
    Croatian + Irish + Southwest_English + West_Sicilian @ 1.461064

    MDLP K23b: 61.4% Welsh+ 38.6%Gagauz @ 1.78
    Azov_Greek_ + Hungarian_ + Kashub_ + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS_ @ 1.641550

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    85% German 14.6% turk 1.5
    K23b
    Italian North 4.52%
    67% South German 30.3% Cretan 1.74
    Mdlp22
    Bulgarian 2.83
    73.8%german v 26.2% jew syria 1.06
    Mdlp world
    Macedonian 2.01
    63%bosnian 36.7% Greek north 0.61
    Eurogenes
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    58.4% Greek Thessaloniki 41.6%danish
    2.33
    K15
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    60% Greek 40% Norwegian 2.2
    Jtest

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    53.2% so. & central Swedish 46.8/ Greek 2.5
    Decode v3
    Slovenian 11.98
    75.2%TSI 24.8%finnish 2.17
    World 9
    Bulgarian 4.71
    80.5%french 19.5%kurd 0.72
    K7b
    Romanians 3.92
    80.4% French 19.6% kurds 0.34

    PuntDnal 10
    Bulgarian 4.02
    65.5%italian South 34.5% Belarusian 0.77
    K15
    Macedonian 3.82
    62.7%norwegian 37.3% Sephardic jew 1.21

    Mom is 50% Sicilian, Irish english German some french
    Dad is croatian and slovenian
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    1. Dodecad V3 - Orcadian - 0.67
    2. Dodecad World9 - Argyll (1000 Genomes) - 0.84
    3. Dodecad k12b - Dutch - 1.06
    4. Dodecad k7b - Argyll (1000Genomes) - 1.08
    5. PuntDNAL K12M - English South - 1.94
    6. MDLP World22 - German_V (derived) - 1.99
    7. PuntDNAL K15 - Scottish - 2.03
    8. Eurogenes K13 - West Scottish - 2.16
    9. MDLP K23b - Dutch - 2.43
    10. PuntDNAL K10 - English_South - 2.49
    11. MDLP World - German_V - 2.61
    12. MDLP K16 - English (Kent) - 2.72
    13. PuntDNAL K13 - Irish - 3.79
    14. Eurogenes EUTest - Orcadian - 3.8
    15. Eurogenes JTest - Orcadian - 3.86
    16. Eurogenes K15 - West Scottish - 4.11

    Mixed

    1. Dodecad K7B - 60.5% Cornwall (1000Genomes) + 39.5% Polish (Dodecad) @ 0.19
    2. Dodecad World9 - 71% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 29% British (Dodecad) @ 0.22
    3. Dodecad K12b - 68.2% Dutch (Dodecad) + 31.8% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 0.57
    4. Dodecad V3 - 99% Orcadian (HGDP) + 1% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 0.65
    5. PuntDNAL K12M - 84.4% German_South + 15.6% Russian @ 0.93
    6. MDLP World - 94.3% Norwegian_V + 5.7% Armenian @ 1.23
    7. MDLP K23b - 77.5% Dutch ( ) + 22.5% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) @ 1.32
    8. PuntDNAL K10 - 85.9% German_North + 14.1% Basque_Spanish @ 1.33
    9. MDLP World22 - 86.2% German_V (derived) + 13.8% Swedish_V (derived) @ 1.47
    10. Eurogenes K13 - 82% West_Scottish + 18% Norwegian @ 1.91
    11. PuntDNAL K15 - 99.6% Scottish + 0.4% San @ 1.95
    12. MDLP K16 - 60.4% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) + 39.6% German (Germany) @ 2.11
    13. Eurogenes EUTest - 55.6% DK + 44.4% Scottish @ 2.6
    14. Eurogenes JTest - 54.5% IE + 45.5% DK @ 2.71
    15. PuntDNAL K13G - 82.5% Norwegian + 17.5% French_Basque @ 2.97
    16. Eurogenes K15 - 94.4% West_Scottish + 5.6% French_Basque @ 3.79

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