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    This is an example of what he meant. You could place the subclass in the Bell Beaker, for example.

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    Paternal: R1b-U152+ L2+ BY4245+ BY3485+ BY3478+ , Giovanni Domenicus Rabai, b. 1609, Savona, Italy
    Maternal: Haplogroup H65, María García Martínez, b. 1746, Cuenca, Spain

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    The arrows fly overhead, the horse runs through the steppe under the mountains: D.

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    Paternal: R1b-U152+ L2+ BY4245+ BY3485+ BY3478+ , Giovanni Domenicus Rabai, b. 1609, Savona, Italy
    Maternal: Haplogroup H65, María García Martínez, b. 1746, Cuenca, Spain

    Manuel David Rabaez 1974, Manuel Rabaez 1948, Manuel Rabaez 1912, Antonio Rabay 1868, Antonio Rabay 1833, Manuel Rabay 1791, Manuel Rabay 1764, Pedro Rabai 1727, Pedro Joseph Rabai 1691, Giovanni Battista Rabai 1647, Jo. Domenicus Rabai 1609, Pietrus Rabai (work in progress...)

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    Maternal: Haplogroup H65, María García Martínez, b. 1746, Cuenca, Spain

    Manuel David Rabaez 1974, Manuel Rabaez 1948, Manuel Rabaez 1912, Antonio Rabay 1868, Antonio Rabay 1833, Manuel Rabay 1791, Manuel Rabay 1764, Pedro Rabai 1727, Pedro Joseph Rabai 1691, Giovanni Battista Rabai 1647, Jo. Domenicus Rabai 1609, Pietrus Rabai (work in progress...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravai View Post
    The arrows fly overhead, the horse runs through the steppe under the mountains: D.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    Great! I love!

    Paternal: R1b-U152+ L2+ BY4245+ BY3485+ BY3478+ , Giovanni Domenicus Rabai, b. 1609, Savona, Italy
    Maternal: Haplogroup H65, María García Martínez, b. 1746, Cuenca, Spain

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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    Like the Nordic flag design used by many countries and regions that share a common identity, one idea would be to have a basic design that would vary by colors to show different branches.
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    Mono-chromatically the designs would all look the same
    Now that we have a design, black is a good color for U152 as a whole because black is the color you get when all colors are added together.

    The most apolitical/unemotional way I can think to do it (to avoid a combination of colors for a subclade being associated with a certain national colors) is to assign them based on what is most common.

    In national flags these are the most common colors
    Color : Percent of flags that have that color:
    Red 77.08%
    White 72.92%
    Blue 53.13%
    Yellow/Gold 46.3%
    Green 45.31%
    Black 30.73%
    Orange 4.69%
    Brown 4.69%
    Gray 3.13%
    Purple 1.04%

    So for assignment purposes using the color order found in flags above:

    Most common U152 subclade would be: red and white
    2nd most common: Blue and white
    3rd most common: Gold and white
    4th most common: Green and white
    5th most common: Red and Gold
    6th most common: Blue and Gold
    7th most common: Green and Gold
    8th most common: Black and Gold
    9th most common: Orange and White
    10th most common: Brown and White
    11th most common: Gray and White
    12th most common: Purple and White
    13th most common: Orange and Gold
    14th most common: Brown and Gold
    15th most common: Gray and Gold
    16th most common: Purple and Gold

    You could repeat the process for 2 to 4 levels down as shown in the image below...or just stop at the level below U152.

    If such a system was adopted, then an arbitrary date would be selected to set the colors based on the U152 project numbers. E.g. Father's day 2017, or the date the U152 project crosses the 2000 member mark.

    The above random color assignment process is just meant to remove any emotion/desires from the process. e.g. a Greek U152 L2 guy wants Blue and White, a Swiss L2 guy wants red and white, a Spanish L2 fellow wants red and gold, a Swedish L2 guy wants blue and gold etc . By making assignments based on most common subclades get the most common colors removes any association with a certain country's colors.

    OR

    If there is no interest in the above hierarchical approach, we just stick to a single U152 design. If the latter then we could look at other color combos for U152. e.g natural colors: blue sky, white mountains, green field.
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    I hope the U152 origin will be in the Black Forest region in this case.
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    Very nice. Only problem is if they discover a SNP between L2 and U152 just like with the long name haplogroups. Maybe we have the U152 version and rather than for every subclade (my most recent subclade is ~200 years old) we shoot for a specific age for the SNPs. Maybe 500 BC, just before the Roman Republic? Seems like that would dramatically reduce the number of color combinations you'd have to create from many hundreds to many dozens?

    Or would we have to go further back? I wonder how many branches of U152 were alive by 500 BC and still have living descendants today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    ...OR

    If there is no interest in the above hierarchical approach, we just stick to a single U152 design. If the latter then we could look at other color combos for U152. e.g natural colors: blue sky, white mountains, green field.
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    Or if the goal is to have all the colors in found in most flags...
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    The FTDNA U152 Project Badge has be finalized. I would like to thank all of those that took the time to make inputs, suggestions, and other feedback.
    Description.
    The design incorporates the Bell Beaker shape, as ancient U152 burials often include various artifacts from the Bell Beaker culture.

    The indented (zig-zag) center band represents the white Alps where U152 is currently very prominent; and the fact that U152 has been located in/near the Alpine region since at least ~2300 BC. The zig-zag design also represents the pattern often found on Bell Beaker pottery.

    The arrows represent the role archery played in Bell Beaker culture. Arrows and arrow heads, along with archer arm bracers are often found in U152 graves. The introduction and use of the horse was also a feature of the Bell Beaker culture.

    The colors were chosen to represent colors found in nature. Blue skies, snow-capped Alps, green fields. To illustrate the international aspect of U152, other colors were added to include those found in almost any national flag.

    Finally, the "U" shaped border, 1 horse, 5 mountain peaks and 2 arrows; are designed to symbolize "U152".
    https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-1b-u152/about

    Color and monochromatic versions
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