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    Will Living DNA give a better result than 23andme v5? I'm asking because I've at last tracked down my late mother's paternal cousin and hope he will test somewhere. He's from Wales and could well be L21, although of course there are many other possibilities.
    Living DNA Cautious mode:
    South Wales Border-related ancestry: 86.8%
    Cornwall: 8%
    Cumbria-related ancestry: 5.2%
    Y line: Peak District, England. Big Y match: Scania, Sweden; TMRCA 1,280 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales, 18th century. Mother's Y line (Wales): R-L21 L371

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    Living DNA assigned me to Z2336 (as you can see in my user info). I have emailed them, as per recommendations in this thread, to see if I can find out what additional markers they tested for below Z2336. At first, I thought this was a fairly detailed assignment, but looking at the YFull page (yfull.com/tree/I-Z2336) there are obviously many, many subclades below this level.

    I'm happy to post my csv file from LDNA if that's helpful to ArmandoR1b or anyone else. I'm curious about what direction to take next to get a more detailed breakdown of where I fit under Z2336. My paper trail goes back to the Scottish borders region in the 1700s, but I have nothing specific prior to that.
    Latest paper trail:
    Lancashire/Manchester - 21.9%; Northumberland/Durham/Scottish Borders - 15.6%; Scotland - 15.6%; Ireland - 15.6%; Mecklenburg-Schwerin - 12.5%; Somerset/Devon/Wales - 6.3%; Essex - 6.3%; Unknown - 6.3%

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonikW View Post
    Will Living DNA give a better result than 23andme v5? I'm asking because I've at last tracked down my late mother's paternal cousin and hope he will test somewhere. He's from Wales and could well be L21, although of course there are many other possibilities.
    I think 23andme gives better results for haplogroups and otherwise too because it covers lot many health related SNPs that Living Dna doesn't. Had bad experience with livingdna for a south Asian kit, it was much worse than 23andme, years behind 23andme and more expensive too when it came to y+mt haplogroups.

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    Trying again here, since on the "Living DNA Orion and Sirius chip results for the same person - What a difference!" thread people seem only interested in the inherently impossible to get accurate ehnicity guesstimates.

    Is the Sirius chip better in regards to the common false positives listed here?
    If you have tested on both Sirius and Orion, do you see any differences in the y (and mtdna) results?

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    I got the same results for Y-DNA but added a subclade for mdDNA (from J1c to J1c5).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angriff View Post
    I got the same results for Y-DNA but added a subclade for mdDNA (from J1c to J1c5).
    Did you get a list of the Y-DNA SNPs tested for each of the chips?
    Last edited by ArmandoR1b; 01-07-2019 at 05:24 AM. Reason: correction of question

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmandoR1b View Post
    Did you get a list of the downstream Y-DNA SNPs tested for each of the chips?
    As I understand it, the raw data for y-DNA only gives the positive SNP calls, not the full list of what SNPs are tested.

    The two y-DNA files are definitely not the same, it is testing some different SNPs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angriff View Post
    As I understand it, the raw data for y-DNA only gives the positive SNP calls, not the full list of what SNPs are tested.
    That is what was included with the results from the older chip. I wasn't sure what shows up with the newer chip.

    Quote Originally Posted by Angriff View Post
    The two y-DNA files are definitely not the same, it is testing some different SNPs.
    Will you post the Y-DNA file of the newer chip? I want to convert the SNPs to longhand and determine which false positives show up.

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    I tested on the original LDNA chip and frankly, I'm not enthusiastic about sending any more money that way until they demonstrate that they are ready for prime time... In any case, they assigned me to I1a1/CTS6364/Z2336. Subsequently, I tested at 23andMe and their test drops me a few subclades further down, below I-L22 to I-L205.1 (I1a1b1a3 / L205.1/L939.1/S239.1).

    I was pleasantly surprised to see how far down 23andMe got me as I had been looking into testing further with Family Tree DNA and it was looking like $200 to get anything clearer than what LDNA assigned. I've got to say, though I left them for my last stop, I'm very impressed with 23andMe. And I paid $50 for that kit in a 2 for 1 deal!!

    One weird thing is that 23andMe says this L205.1 haplogroup is relatively common at 1 in 54 testers - how can that be possible? Even if the I haplogroup is 10% of US testers, I can't make sense of their estimate that L205.1 is 1.8% of 23andMe testers. I would have thought being this far down the tree there would be far fewer folks who are in this group. Of all the people who tested at FTDNA, there are only like 30 who are at this level or lower. Clearly, the 23andMe database is much bigger, but still...something doesn't seem to be adding up. Can anyone shed any light on this?

    My paternal line traces back to Northumberland, England and perhaps from there into Scotland - that's where I lose track of it. I would like to see if there are any family conclusions that can be drawn from this haplogroup. My current guess is Viking "visitors" hit the eastern coasts of Scotland, take a wife and eventually, a Scottish sounding surname, and Bob's your uncle! (or however you say Bob in Viking).

    Here's the breakdown of the relevant haplogroups at FTDNA, last time I checked. It's definitely a moving target:

    I-M170 (2,917 downstream branches)
    I-M253 (1,804)
    I-DF29 (1,750)
    I-Y2592 (782)
    I-CTS6364 (772)
    I-CTS10028 (635)
    I-S6346 (629)
    I-L22 (608)
    I-Z2338 (502)
    I-L205 (11)

    Possible downstream subclades:
    I-A1463 (10)
    I-A1465 (6)
    I-Y11821 (3)
    I-A5574 (2)
    I-A5572 (1)
    I-A14140
    I-A13863
    I-Y51401
    I-A10198 (1)
    I-A10201
    I-BY123303
    Latest paper trail:
    Lancashire/Manchester - 21.9%; Northumberland/Durham/Scottish Borders - 15.6%; Scotland - 15.6%; Ireland - 15.6%; Mecklenburg-Schwerin - 12.5%; Somerset/Devon/Wales - 6.3%; Essex - 6.3%; Unknown - 6.3%

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    Quote Originally Posted by mxcrowe View Post
    I tested on the original LDNA chip and frankly, I'm not enthusiastic about sending any more money that way until they demonstrate that they are ready for prime time... In any case, they assigned me to I1a1/CTS6364/Z2336. Subsequently, I tested at 23andMe and their test drops me a few subclades further down, below I-L22 to I-L205.1 (I1a1b1a3 / L205.1/L939.1/S239.1).

    I was pleasantly surprised to see how far down 23andMe got me as I had been looking into testing further with Family Tree DNA and it was looking like $200 to get anything clearer than what LDNA assigned. I've got to say, though I left them for my last stop, I'm very impressed with 23andMe. And I paid $50 for that kit in a 2 for 1 deal!!

    One weird thing is that 23andMe says this L205.1 haplogroup is relatively common at 1 in 54 testers - how can that be possible? Even if the I haplogroup is 10% of US testers, I can't make sense of their estimate that L205.1 is 1.8% of 23andMe testers. I would have thought being this far down the tree there would be far fewer folks who are in this group. Of all the people who tested at FTDNA, there are only like 30 who are at this level or lower. Clearly, the 23andMe database is much bigger, but still...something doesn't seem to be adding up. Can anyone shed any light on this?

    My paternal line traces back to Northumberland, England and perhaps from there into Scotland - that's where I lose track of it. I would like to see if there are any family conclusions that can be drawn from this haplogroup. My current guess is Viking "visitors" hit the eastern coasts of Scotland, take a wife and eventually, a Scottish sounding surname, and Bob's your uncle! (or however you say Bob in Viking).

    Here's the breakdown of the relevant haplogroups at FTDNA, last time I checked. It's definitely a moving target:

    I-M170 (2,917 downstream branches)
    I-M253 (1,804)
    I-DF29 (1,750)
    I-Y2592 (782)
    I-CTS6364 (772)
    I-CTS10028 (635)
    I-S6346 (629)
    I-L22 (608)
    I-Z2338 (502)
    I-L205 (11)

    Possible downstream subclades:
    I-A1463 (10)
    I-A1465 (6)
    I-Y11821 (3)
    I-A5574 (2)
    I-A5572 (1)
    I-A14140
    I-A13863
    I-Y51401
    I-A10198 (1)
    I-A10201
    I-BY123303
    I didn't realise 23andme is giving that level of detail now. They only gave me I-M253 on V4 so I had to test further. Yep, L22 is unequivocally Scandinavian. A "Viking" forebear looks like a distinct possibility.

    Edited for typo.
    Last edited by JonikW; 01-12-2019 at 08:38 PM.
    Living DNA Cautious mode:
    South Wales Border-related ancestry: 86.8%
    Cornwall: 8%
    Cumbria-related ancestry: 5.2%
    Y line: Peak District, England. Big Y match: Scania, Sweden; TMRCA 1,280 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales, 18th century. Mother's Y line (Wales): R-L21 L371

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