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    Just getting started-- I1-M253

    Hello,
    I am brand new here! I have tested my father as well as my husband (still awaiting my own mtDNA results) via FTDNA, and they have both fallen into I1-M253. I have ordered a few more markers to try and further these results, but this is what I know for now: my father tested positive for L22, but negative for P109, L205, L300, and L287.
    My father's surname is Sanders.

    My husband's surname is Wallace and I don't have as many results back for him just yet. He is negative for L22 and that's as far as I've got with that for now.

    Anyway, just wanted to say hello. I am way out of my depths here! If anyone has suggestions for what I should be testing, I'd love to hear it! I found a phylogenetic tree for haplogroup I1 on this website: http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I1_Y-DNA.shtml but I'm unsure of how accuracy of this information. Thoughts? Thanks! I'm really excited about this!

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    Hi, and welcome!

    I am I M253 too.

    The info on that is is accurate as far as I can see.

    Cheers, Ade.

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    Hi and welcome!

    Since you have tested your husband and father at FTDNA, I recommend you join the haplogroup projects on there. While logged in to one of their kits, on the top bar click on projects and the drop down menu to "join a project". From there, scroll down to Y-DNA haplogroup projects and click on I (23). Click on the second one "I1 yDNA haplogroup" and then join the project. The project administrators will place you into a subgroup based on your results and that will give you an idea of what to test next and refine subclade. Some of the subclades have their own project so you could also have your father's kit join the I1d (L22/S142) project. You will need to add each kit separately.

    There are a few online predictors you can feed their data into to estimate the subclade which may also give you a better idea, such as nevgen http://www.nevgen.org/

    For an up to date phylogenetic tree you can check out YFull - here's the tree for the I-M253 group https://www.yfull.com/tree/I1/
    It's being updated more regularly as more people are taking next generation sequencing tests which is vastly increasing the number of known SNP markers (and also the complexity of the tree.

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    Thank you both for your responses! I am a social sciences/history type of gal, so genetics is a bit out of my comfort zone to say the least!

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    The paper https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2014/09/03/008664 claims to find I1-M253 in LBK skeletons from Hungary or Croatia ca 5000 BC.
    This is noted (Balatonszemes-Bagódomb) at Jean Manco's wonderful website http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/eur...ithicdna.shtml
    Last edited by jamesdowallen; 02-12-2018 at 12:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BWallace View Post
    Hello,
    I am brand new here! I have tested my father as well as my husband (still awaiting my own mtDNA results) via FTDNA, and they have both fallen into I1-M253. I have ordered a few more markers to try and further these results, but this is what I know for now: my father tested positive for L22, but negative for P109, L205, L300, and L287.
    My father's surname is Sanders.

    My husband's surname is Wallace and I don't have as many results back for him just yet. He is negative for L22 and that's as far as I've got with that for now.

    Anyway, just wanted to say hello. I am way out of my depths here! If anyone has suggestions for what I should be testing, I'd love to hear it! I found a phylogenetic tree for haplogroup I1 on this website: http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I1_Y-DNA.shtml but I'm unsure of how accuracy of this information. Thoughts? Thanks! I'm really excited about this!
    Hi. I'm I1 and on the Z140 branch. I think L22 is generally considered to be Scandinavian and Norwegian in particular. Were the family from a part of England that had Norwegian Viking settlement such as the Wirral or Cumbria?
    Living DNA Cautious mode:
    South Wales Border-related ancestry: 86.8%
    Cornwall: 8%
    Cumbria-related ancestry: 5.2%
    Y line: Peak District, England. Big Y match: Scania, Sweden; TMRCA 1,280 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales, 18th century. Mother's Y line (Wales): R-L21 L371

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    Hi, I1-M227 is here. I seem to be a shard of once a massive M227 sub-group of travellers and explorers as my sub-clade's representatives are met over Europe and even in the Middle East.

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