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    Middle East admixture among Southern Europeans

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    Europeans are a mix between WHG, Anatolia Farmers and Yamnaya, Middle Easterners a mix of Levant N, N Iran and CHG received primarily with Armenia Bronze Age. FTDNA puts it all together, when in fact the Europeans ancestry by CHG have acquired almost exclusively by Yamnaya, therefore, from a source other than the Middle East. Same applies to the Neolithic component. Europe is a different source from that of the Middle East. Only South Italy, Sicily and Greece have received valuable contributions Middle East over the past millennia through the Arab invasions, the Fennici and other ancient peoples. Vicevarsa for the rest of Italy, the Middle East contributions are small or virtually absent. Typically the genetic affinity between the Middle East and parts of South East Europeans, is estimated to date to 30% by farmers Neolithic Europeans, who had just contributed to the 30% on the gene pool of some of the current Middle Eastern populations (Armenians, Druze Christians and other Middle Eastern populations were relatively isolated from the Bronze age to this part), while the remaining 70% genetic affinity with the Middle East and by peoples from the Middle East, have colonized some areas of South Eastern the genetics of the Middle East up to 2000 years ago was very similar to Neolithic Europe, it has changed a lot over the last 2000 years with contributions from Africa and from central and South Asia. Which however did not happen in Europe. http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v...g2015206a.html
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    [QUOTE=Flavio;216652]
    it has changed a lot over the last 2000 years with contributions from Africa and from central and South America . Which however did not happen in Europe.

    from central and South America ?? Is it a mistake ?

    You are right partially but I don't agree fully because we have specific Levant component peaking in Near East and a lot less important in European Neolithics (20 to 40%)
    Also the old "Basal Eurasian" component with a cline declining by going away from Arabian Peninsula.

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    the antolian neolithic component exist also in middleastern people
    it probably spread south in ancient times and inside of it there is a unknown hunter gatherers component that today levantines
    do score.
    so antolian neolithic is not limited to european
    i agree with you though on the iranian neolithic component that only exist in significant numbers in in italy and the balkan and rare in most europe
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    Your statement is the same old "Middle Easterners (or North Africans) are mischlings, so we don't come from them". Whether it's true or not, there is pretty clear post-neolithic Near Eastern influence in some parts of Europe, particularly Southeastern Europe. Some of it might as recent as the last 2000 years. That's why Italy and the Balkans form a cline between "core" [north and central] Europeans and West Asians.

    Considering modern Europeans as we know them are a quite "recent" population (like many others around the world, and certainly all Western Eurasians), not much time has passed from the highly steppes-admixed bronze age Europeans to the next wave of Near Easterners anyway.

    And no, the Middle East 2000 years was certainly nothing like Neolithic Europeans, they were already eastern-shifted.
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    [QUOTE=palamede;216771]
    Quote Originally Posted by Flavio View Post
    it has changed a lot over the last 2000 years with contributions from Africa and from central and South America . Which however did not happen in Europe.

    from central and South America ?? Is it a mistake ?

    You are right partially but I don't agree fully because we have specific Levant component peaking in Near East and a lot less important in European Neolithics (20 to 40%)
    Also the old "Basal Eurasian" component with a cline declining by going away from Arabian Peninsula.
    Yes is a mistake, I mean South and central Asia, not America, sorry. So I assume that Anatolia is 60-80 like European Neolithic and 20-40% like Neolithic Levant during Neolithic time? For your opinion Neolithic Levant and Iran Neolithic, as having a bearing on the population of central-South Italy and Tuscany? CHG also can quantify a rough estimate of the contribution as a percentage of the gene pool of the current population?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    the antolian neolithic component exist also in middleastern people
    it probably spread south in ancient times and inside of it there is a unknown hunter gatherers component that today levantines
    do score.
    so antolian neolithic is not limited to european
    i agree with you though on the iranian neolithic component that only exist in significant numbers in in italy and the balkan and rare in most europe
    regards
    adam
    Hallo Adam, in fact, what I meant, the Middle East, also in ancient roots from Anatolia Farmers, Turkey was genetically very close to the early Neolithic farmers Europeans, genetics of the Near East has changed significantly over the last 2000 years, according to this study. I believe that the contribution of the Neolithic Levant and Iran Neolithic, is more important only in southern Italy and Greece, but it is rare or absent elsewhere in Europe. Also CHG contribute (not associate to Yamnaya) is more important in South Italy and in South Balkan, elsewhere there are low frequency also of this component contribute.
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    Here you have a map that shows the concentrations of the haplogroups of Middle Eastern and North African origin, maybe this is not as clear indications on the real contribution on the autosomal DNA, but I think in broad terms, in proportions to be a good idea
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