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    Surprising J1-M267 result!

    Ok J1-M267 experts I would like to hear from you! I was able to convince a first cousin of my mother on her direct paternal line to take a Y DNA test, and Family Finder. I do not have direct access to the results, but can see they came in as he matches my mother as 1st cousin, and my brother, and myself as second cousins. His 37 marker test reveals J1-M267!

    At this point I have no further information. I have asked him to share with me who his closet matches are on the 37 marker test, and what is their terminal SNP.

    I was told as a child that this line is Italian. I grew up, researched the paper trail- found that this line is from an isolated Arbėresh village. Apparently my grandfather's family had known this all along, and a relative in the village had indicated this line was there since the Middle Ages. The DNA shows a haplogroup that is more common in Southern Europe, but really does not show up much among Italians or Albanians. Correct?

    From another post to cite the most common haplogroups found in the Arbėreshe, and Albanians.
    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...with-Arbereshe
    Gheg Albanians (119):
    E1b-V13: 38%
    J2b-M12: 25%
    R1b-L51 (xP311): 12%
    R1b-M269 (xL51): 4.2%
    I2a (xM26,M223): 3.3%
    R1a-M17: 2.5%
    I1-M253: 3.3%

    Tosk Albanians (104):
    E1b-V13: 29%
    J2b-M12: 12%
    R1b-L51 (xP311): 8%
    R1b-M269 (xL51): 6%
    I2a (xM26,M223): 11.5%
    I2a-M223: 5%
    R1a-M17: 6%
    I1-M253: 3.8%

    Arbereshe Albanians (Southern Italy, 150):
    E1b-V13: 13%
    J2b-M12: 3%
    R1b-L51 (xP311): NONE
    R1b-M269 (xL51): 8%
    I2a (xM26,M223): 10%
    I2a-M223: 10%
    R1a-M17: 10%
    E1b (xV13): 13%
    I1-M253: 5.3%

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    Has he joined the J1 FTDNA Project? If not, he really ought to, the degree of resolution for J1's phylogeny is equivalent to what we've achieved with R1b.
    ᾽Άλλο δέ τοι ἐρέω, σὺ δ᾽ ἐνὶ φρεσὶ βάλλεο σῇσιν:
    κρύβδην, μηδ᾽ ἀναφανδά, φίλην ἐς πατρίδα γαῖαν
    νῆα κατισχέμεναι: ἐπεὶ οὐκέτι πιστὰ γυναιξίν.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Agamemnon View Post
    Has he joined the J1 FTDNA Project? If not, he really ought to, the degree of resolution for J1's phylogeny is equivalent to what we've achieved with R1b.
    I recommended that he join. I haven't even heard back from him yet. It's killing me lol!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tįltos View Post
    I have recommended that he join. I haven't even heard back from him yet. It's killing me lol!
    I could get a clear idea of which J1 branch he belongs to by looking at his STR values as well. Still, I'd say this certainly suggests that the Arbėresh have at least some local (South?) Italian ancestry, since J1 happens to be almost non-existent among Albanians (it's already quite rare in Europe, outside some isolated pockets).

    Oh and BTW, welcome to the tribe
    ᾽Άλλο δέ τοι ἐρέω, σὺ δ᾽ ἐνὶ φρεσὶ βάλλεο σῇσιν:
    κρύβδην, μηδ᾽ ἀναφανδά, φίλην ἐς πατρίδα γαῖαν
    νῆα κατισχέμεναι: ἐπεὶ οὐκέτι πιστὰ γυναιξίν.


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    We have some European J1 clusters well established around Greece, Italy-Sardinia and only the STR or SNPs will tell more about the possible origins.
    J1 FGC5987 to FGC6175 (188 new SNPs)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tįltos View Post
    Ok J1-M267 experts I would like to hear from you! I was able to convince a first cousin of my mother on her direct paternal line to take a Y DNA test, and Family Finder. I do not have direct access to the results, but can see they came in as he matches my mother as 1st cousin, and my brother, and myself as second cousins. His 37 marker test reveals J1-M267!

    At this point I have no further information. I have asked him to share with me who his closet matches are on the 37 marker test, and what is their terminal SNP.

    I was told as a child that this line is Italian. I grew up, researched the paper trail- found that this line is from an isolated Arbėresh village. Apparently my grandfather's family had known this all along, and a relative in the village had indicated this line was there since the Middle Ages. The DNA shows a haplogroup that is more common in Southern Europe, but really does not show up much among Italians or Albanians. Correct?

    From another post to cite the most common haplogroups found in the Arbėreshe, and Albanians.
    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...with-Arbereshe
    I don't know anything about J1-M267 being it's not my haplogroup. All what I can say is that a part of Arbereshe didnt't arrive to Italy directly from Albania but they were Arvanites from Greece, and a good number of them were likely of partial Greek ancestry.

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    Many Arbereshe came from Corone and other Southern Greeks communities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCO View Post
    We have some European J1 clusters well established around Greece, Italy-Sardinia and only the STR or SNPs will tell more about the possible origins.
    Good to know thank you! I'm still waiting to hear from him. Hopefully soon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morges View Post
    Many Arbereshe came from Corone and other Southern Greeks communities.
    Page 6 about the original villages given to Reres' soldiers. My line comes from one of those villages.
    http://www.vatrarberesh.it/bibliotec...loalbanian.pdf

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    We actually just got a J1 result on our project, not public yet though and I have seen few other J1 Albanians at 23andme and some on the scientific studies. It's quite rare but found among Albanians, North and South.

    Could you post his STAR markers, or pm them to me so I can compare them to our examples?
    Last edited by Skerdilaidas; 03-02-2017 at 04:45 AM.

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