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    R1b-Z2103/Z2105 Subclade Predictions using NEVGEN

    The NEVGEN subclade predictor is able to predict Z2103. Please see the thread under U152 for the website link. I do not know how accurate the Z2103 predictions are, but it is able to predict this clade and down stream clades, anyway.

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    This worked for me. Nevgen succesfully predicted that I was most likely to belong to the Z2103-Z2106 subclade (though with a 42% probability). SNP testing at Family Tree DNA revealed that I tested as positive for Z2109 (a subgroup of Z2106)

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    Quote Originally Posted by nick1234 View Post
    This worked for me. Nevgen succesfully predicted that I was most likely to belong to the Z2103-Z2106 subclade (though with a 42% probability). SNP testing at Family Tree DNA revealed that I tested as positive for Z2109 (a subgroup of Z2106)
    Welcome to Anthrogenica. There are several branches down stream to R1b-Z2108, Z2109. If you haven't already, please join the R1b Basal Subclades project. https://www.familytreedna.com/groups...ubclades/about
    A 42% confidence rate for predicting R1b-Z2103 is about as good as you will get with a haplogroup predicting program. It's a tough call sometimes without considering ethnicity, geography or some crazy STR signature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nick1234 View Post
    This worked for me. Nevgen succesfully predicted that I was most likely to belong to the Z2103-Z2106 subclade (though with a 42% probability). SNP testing at Family Tree DNA revealed that I tested as positive for Z2109 (a subgroup of Z2106)
    Welcome to the forum. Yamnaya samples, as well as the newly released Sarmatian, are also positive for z2109 level.
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    Hi Joe. Thanks for the welcome. I thought the predictor did a pretty good job! Yes, I'm already a member of the project at FTDNA. I recently ordered the Big Y test so it will be interesting to see what comes of that.

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    Hi Silesian. Thanks for the welcome. I did see in the FDNA group that the Yamnaya samples are linked to KMS67. Interesting - what do you think it means for the other branches of Z2109 (that aren't KMS67)?

    Also, I just noticed that the NEVGEN haplogroup predictor has been updated. You can not only choose predictions based on a known SNP, you can also use Z2106 as one of those SNPs. My new prediction according to Nevgen is R-BY250, though admittedly with a ~1% probability, and a ~99% chance of belonging to an unsupported subclade. I don't really know what to make of the fitness scores though.

    Edit: There are only two other predictions ranked below R-BY250, both with probability of 0%, and similar though slightly lower fitness scores: R-Y5587 and R-BY611A (R-Y10789). They all belong to R-CTS1450, so putting aside the current probability scores, I'm starting to think I might land somewhere deeper in that group.
    Last edited by nick1234; 03-30-2017 at 06:35 PM.

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    I got my Big Y results today. I'm now listed as R-BY19752. As predicted by Nevgen, it's a subclade of R-BY250.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nick1234 View Post
    I got my Big Y results today. I'm now listed as R-BY19752. As predicted by Nevgen, it's a subclade of R-BY250.
    Congratulations on getting your results. The R1b-BY250 haplogroup has a lot of eager participants and is seeing some development. Please consider submitting your BAM file to YFull in addition to the R1b Basal Subclades project. Thanks.
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-BY250/
    YFull R1b-M269>L23>Z2103>Z2106>Z2108>Y14512>Y20971>Y22199, ISOGG R1b1a1a2a2c1b Y14416, FTDNA R-M64

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    Quote Originally Posted by nick1234 View Post
    I got my Big Y results today. I'm now listed as R-BY19752. As predicted by Nevgen, it's a subclade of R-BY250.
    Great news! Here is your entry for yfull-
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y19752/
    your TMRCA 3300 ybp+/- and you share the same snp with an entry from Norway[Akershus]
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    Thanks Joe. I have requested my BAM file and will definitely submit to Sergey for analysis. I am also considering submitting it to yfull - what benefits would this have?

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