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Thread: DF19 (P312>DF19) & Subclades L644, Z302, etc.

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    My Grandfather Binford tested DF-19, R-Z8193 He and his entire tree is Norman dating all the way back thru England and before that Normandy. Binford was changed from Bienfaite! The kit is at FTDNA #247333. We have fairly good matches with the Gordon surname. 37 markers only at distance of 4. That is our closest match unfortunately.

    Edit to add: Most people would think Gordon is just Scottish because of the Scottish clan Gordon. It's not entirely. Good reason to believe it was actually Norman.

    "Scotland. The Gordons are believed to have been originally of Norman descent. The name started to appear in the Borders in the 12th century. It was Sir Adam de Gordon, a friend of William Wallace, who was appointed to the lordship of Strathbogie and Badenoch by Robert the Bruce in 1319. He brought the name and the family to Aberdeenshire in the northeast of the country."

    http://www.selectsurname.com/gordon.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by favouriteslave View Post
    My Grandfather Binford tested DF-19, R-Z8193 He and his entire tree is Norman dating all the way back thru England and before that Normandy. Binford was changed from Bienfaite! The kit is at FTDNA #247333. We have fairly good matches with the Gordon surname. 37 markers only at distance of 4. That is our closest match unfortunately.
    Cool! A Z302.

    edit: Please make sure to add him to Alex's Big Tree, too.

    http://www.ytree.net/DisplayTree.php?blockID=183
    Last edited by Dewsloth; 04-18-2019 at 05:30 AM.
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112 (S17075-)

    Y-cousin: 6DRIF-23 (DF19>>Z17112+, S17075+)

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Found something interesting on this page. Researching the name Gordon, since some of the Gordons/Scots are DF-19. Found some info about Jewish Gordons. Maybe a connection?

    http://www.selectsurname.com/gordon.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    Cool! A Z302.

    edit: Please make sure to add him to Alex's Big Tree, too.

    http://www.ytree.net/DisplayTree.php?blockID=183
    I didn't do the Big Y for my grandfather. I just tested individual SNP on a hunch from someone else. How would I add him without Big Y or FGC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by favouriteslave View Post
    I didn't do the Big Y for my grandfather. I just tested individual SNP on a hunch from someone else. How would I add him without Big Y or FGC?
    Oh, I don't think you can, then. Too bad -- we need more DF19s on that thing!
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112 (S17075-)

    Y-cousin: 6DRIF-23 (DF19>>Z17112+, S17075+)

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    In case anyone is subscribed to this thread and missed the other post about this major P312>DF19 news:

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....branch-in-P312

    ^^^The old DF19 block appears to be split! I guess I'm gonna have to change my sig line when I get a chance
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112 (S17075-)

    Y-cousin: 6DRIF-23 (DF19>>Z17112+, S17075+)

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    I am not a Big Y. I got my DF88 from 23andMe. Thought I would add my name to the discussion, though. I am a Streib--German line. We are from Eschelbronn for the last 150 years that I can document. It is not a big family, but those that exist are mostly in the nearby German towns. There are some Streibs in Denmark and some variations of the name there that are curious. There are also interesting name variations on Sweden and the Netherlands. One could certainly make a case for a DF19 origin and migration, though that would involve a lot of guesswork at this point.

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