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    Thanks every one.

    Looks like those in this L21** haplogroup are stuck for now in a cluster that is so old it does not tell us much, but I guess it is good that it is a small group.

    David M

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    Does anyone know if one of the Davis DF13-, DF63- family submitted for the full genome test. Thanks. Bob.

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    Cool

    There is an interesting new L21+ DF13- result today: Bigazzi, kit 267719, whose y-dna mdka was born in Certignano, Italy. He has no matches at 67 or 37 markers.

    Of course, Bigazzi has not yet been tested for DF63 (he has it on order, though).
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    So my Geno 2.0 results finally came in and disappointingly it looks like my kit is negative for everything below L21. At Ysearch GD is 21 to the L21 modal and and 23 to the DF13 modal. Still, I have already ordered DF13 at FTDNA. How do I figure out if I have any other interesting positive SNPs in the Geno 2.0 results?
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    I had the same question Ygg...you might have already done this, but this is what I ended up doing...

    I ended up looking for all the SNP's under my last known terminal SNP (L513)-I got that from MikeWWW wonderful L21 tree

    I then looked up and double checked what my results were using (from downloading the raw data from FTdna after having transfered the NG Geno 2 results there) the ISOGG list of mutations-just going by memory, I think the Geno 2 test had 8 of the 11 SNP's that are underneath L513
    It turns out it was good that I did, my Geno 2 results contradict previous testing results from FTdna so I sent them an email and they said they will double check both tests

    the bottom line is this exercise spotted an error in something, either my a la cart snp test from a few years ago, or my new geno 2 tests-so now I wait to see if I have a new terminal SNP (I suspect not, I think the Geno 2 test is in error, but...)

    hope this helps

    Mike


    Quote Originally Posted by Yggdrasil View Post
    So my Geno 2.0 results finally came in and disappointingly it looks like my kit is negative for everything below L21. At Ysearch GD is 21 to the L21 modal and and 23 to the DF13 modal. Still, I have already ordered DF13 at FTDNA. How do I figure out if I have any other interesting positive SNPs in the Geno 2.0 results?
    Furthest Y line=Patrick Whealen 1816-1874, b.Tipperary Co. Ire. d. Kincardine Ont.

    Y-DNA-RL21-L513-Z23516-BY11142('lost Irish 'C' boys?')

    FTDNA=P312+ P25+ M343+ M269+ M207+ M173+ L513+ U198- U152- U106- SRY2627- P66- P107- M73- M65- M37- M222- M18- M160- M153- M126- L705- L577- L193- L159.2- L1333-
    Big-Y=Z23516+
    23&me=L21+
    E.A.= S21-, S26-, S28-, S29-, S68-
    Geno 2 (N.G.P.) H1bd+

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeWhalen View Post
    I had the same question Ygg...you might have already done this, but this is what I ended up doing...

    I ended up looking for all the SNP's under my last known terminal SNP (L513)-I got that from MikeWWW wonderful L21 tree

    I then looked up and double checked what my results were using (from downloading the raw data from FTdna after having transfered the NG Geno 2 results there) the ISOGG list of mutations-just going by memory, I think the Geno 2 test had 8 of the 11 SNP's that are underneath L513
    It turns out it was good that I did, my Geno 2 results contradict previous testing results from FTdna so I sent them an email and they said they will double check both tests

    the bottom line is this exercise spotted an error in something, either my a la cart snp test from a few years ago, or my new geno 2 tests-so now I wait to see if I have a new terminal SNP (I suspect not, I think the Geno 2 test is in error, but...)

    hope this helps

    Mike
    Hey Mike,

    What SNP are you checking?

    MJost
    148326, FGC-0FW1R, YSID6 & YF3272 R-DF13>FGC5494>*7448>*5496>*5521>*5511>*5539>*5538>* 5508>*5524
     
    Watterson USA GD1/67 & GD3/111, *5508+. GD1’s father’s sister-23andme pred. 3rd Cous w/ 0.91% DNA shared-3 seg. Largest on Chr1 w/non-Euro admix affirms my NPE paternal Watterson line via aDNA & YDNA. A 2nd pred. 4th cous has same DKA b. 1840's Georgia and MDKA d 1703 IOM. 3rd Cousin FtDNA FF is from the Watterson Ala. *5538+ b. IOM w/ GD6/67 & GD8/111 -SGD3. FGC5539+ a Scot-Ross GD13/111 -SGD8

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    Interesting that although L21 has very little presence in Italy, the same sort of area does keep coming up.

    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    There is an interesting new L21+ DF13- result today: Bigazzi, kit 267719, whose y-dna mdka was born in Certignano, Italy. He has no matches at 67 or 37 markers.

    Of course, Bigazzi has not yet been tested for DF63 (he has it on order, though).

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeWhalen View Post
    I had the same question Ygg...you might have already done this, but this is what I ended up doing...

    I ended up looking for all the SNP's under my last known terminal SNP (L513)-I got that from MikeWWW wonderful L21 tree

    I then looked up and double checked what my results were using (from downloading the raw data from FTdna after having transfered the NG Geno 2 results there) the ISOGG list of mutations-just going by memory, I think the Geno 2 test had 8 of the 11 SNP's that are underneath L513
    It turns out it was good that I did, my Geno 2 results contradict previous testing results from FTdna so I sent them an email and they said they will double check both tests

    the bottom line is this exercise spotted an error in something, either my a la cart snp test from a few years ago, or my new geno 2 tests-so now I wait to see if I have a new terminal SNP (I suspect not, I think the Geno 2 test is in error, but...)

    hope this helps

    Mike
    Thanks Mike! I have tried something like that, but I will certainly go through the results more thoroughly now.

    Anyway Geno 2.0 wasn´t an absolute disappointment as we did get assigned to a subclade below P312. And ofcourse all the negatives helps rule out some expensive SNP-testing mistakes. I guess a GD of 21 to the L21 means there has to be a subclade somewhere for me in the future.

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    Hi Mark
    the a la cart FTdna test from a few years ago has me as L705.2 -
    but the Geno 2 test has me as L705.2 and L706.2 +
    (assuming a 'TT" and 'AA' respectively Geno 2 gives me are derived as per the ISOGG mutation chart)

    Mike

    Quote Originally Posted by MJost View Post
    Hey Mike,

    What SNP are you checking?

    MJost
    Furthest Y line=Patrick Whealen 1816-1874, b.Tipperary Co. Ire. d. Kincardine Ont.

    Y-DNA-RL21-L513-Z23516-BY11142('lost Irish 'C' boys?')

    FTDNA=P312+ P25+ M343+ M269+ M207+ M173+ L513+ U198- U152- U106- SRY2627- P66- P107- M73- M65- M37- M222- M18- M160- M153- M126- L705- L577- L193- L159.2- L1333-
    Big-Y=Z23516+
    23&me=L21+
    E.A.= S21-, S26-, S28-, S29-, S68-
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeWhalen View Post
    Hi Mark
    the a la cart FTdna test from a few years ago has me as L705.2 -
    but the Geno 2 test has me as L705.2 and L706.2 +
    (assuming a 'TT" and 'AA' respectively Geno 2 gives me are derived as per the ISOGG mutation chart)

    Mike
    I hadn't really looked at this before, but the position on the Y for L705/L706 would be problematic in verification process. Which I could see the Geno2 Chip getting a hit but from some other position on the Y or X. Same thing is occurring on these chips and are having to be removed. I sure FtDNA has it right with the Single SNP testing earlier. One of my novel FGC SNPS that I was positive for, failed the Sanger Sequencing, but also showed up on the Chromo2 chip as positive for 12 guys. Three are testing for my other 'Clean' novel SNP and two so far are positive for it. These odd positives are being thrown off these chips but still be a good SNP for clusters of men.

    MJost
    148326, FGC-0FW1R, YSID6 & YF3272 R-DF13>FGC5494>*7448>*5496>*5521>*5511>*5539>*5538>* 5508>*5524
     
    Watterson USA GD1/67 & GD3/111, *5508+. GD1’s father’s sister-23andme pred. 3rd Cous w/ 0.91% DNA shared-3 seg. Largest on Chr1 w/non-Euro admix affirms my NPE paternal Watterson line via aDNA & YDNA. A 2nd pred. 4th cous has same DKA b. 1840's Georgia and MDKA d 1703 IOM. 3rd Cousin FtDNA FF is from the Watterson Ala. *5538+ b. IOM w/ GD6/67 & GD8/111 -SGD3. FGC5539+ a Scot-Ross GD13/111 -SGD8

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